Obama's Comments to the Russians

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lawgator1 said:
I had forgotten about this.

I think the objection from Republicans is less about some cockamamie theory that he is in a conspiracy with Putin and more bristling at the perceived assumption he is making that he'll win.

Again, though, the things that the GOP keeps harping on when it comes to Obama are things that people who already plan to vote against him care about. Going back to something like this, especially in light of Obama's pretty decent overall foreign policy record, isn't likely to get many votes and just comes across as petty.

Romney would be far better off explaining to undecideds precisely how he is going to make their individual economic circumstances better. So far, the Obama campaign is winning the message battle on that score, it seems to me.
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1- I agree with you on this, people stupid enough to vote for BO could care less about his real agenda. But for a group that has harped and whined about MR's tax returns to complain about this is comical.

2- What??? How can you say that? What has BO done to improve anything? Increased entitlements, unemployment, letting illegal imagrants stay, boy that sure is an impressive record making economic circumstances better?
 
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#77
#77
lawgator1 said:
How do you get that he is increasing taxes on every middle class family by $2,200?
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it's definitely on some so he's not interested in helping the entire middle class. Only those that believe in what he's doing should benefit

How do you get that Romney is raising taxes without quoting some half-baked study?
 
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utvolpj said:
yeah I need more since you have not explained what W stole from you personally that the current admin has any intention of giving back. I have agreed on the Patriot Act but that is about it on your list. The war in Iraq was crap in hindsight but nothing was stolen. Family savings? What the heck does that mean?
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Don't think anything can be "given" back. You may have a minor point. But since I never intimated that Obama would or could give it back, your minor point is now gone.
 
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golfballs said:
What did Bush do to make the hole?
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Bush increased govt and spent like a liberal. No one has claimed he was great but the thought that his successor has been any better at all is simply ridiculous

PimpVol said:
Don't think anything can be "given" back. You may have a minor point. But since I never intimated that Obama would or could give it back, your minor point is now gone.
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then why did you celebrate when W was gone if you knew nothing would get better? Seems pretty stupid
 
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PimpVol said:
Me and my wife WORK to take care of us and our 3 boys. I am sure you had no way of knowing that, but now you do. Everyone in our family lost big to W and his minions. Again, guess you had no way of knowing. Not on cocaine or crack either. Or any of that scientifically produced crap. 1 star post your part. Congrats.
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This is why nobody can take you seriously. Also, how is George W. Bush responsible for your family "losing big?" Specifics would be nice, because as of now, it seems like you have an agenda and are simply basing your argument off of that.
 
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hog88 said:
1- I agree with you on this, people stupid enough to vote for BO could care less about his real agenda. But for a group that has harped and whined about MR's tax returns to complain about this is comical.

2- What??? How can you say that? What has BO done to improve anything? Increased entitlements, unemployment, letting illegal imagrants stay, boy that sure is an impressive record making economic circumstances better?
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I am not voting for Obama nor Romney but the bolded could also be said about Romney.


No one knows what Romneys agenda is.
His words do not match his PUBLIC record.

I doubt Romney himself knows where he stands on the issues.
It is hard to find an issue that Romney has stuck with, with the exception of his approval of minimum wage.
 
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utvolpj said:
based solely on your posts, I wish you all the luck of Basil Marceaux
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Play on a song by "Pac-Div", not serious. I will google the guy who's luck you hope runs concurrent to mine in a bit. But I will go out on a limb and say you are being rude.
 
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PimpVol said:
Me and my wife WORK to take care of us and our 3 boys. I am sure you had no way of knowing that, but now you do. Everyone in our family lost big to W and his minions. Again, guess you had no way of knowing. Not on cocaine or crack either. Or any of that scientifically produced crap. 1 star post your part. Congrats.
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if you lost under Bush you're losing under Obama. That is, if you're still working.

PimpVol said:
Play on a song by "Pac-Div", not serious. I will google the guy who's luck you hope runs concurrent to mine in a bit. But I will go out on a limb and say you are being rude.
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Basil part was a joke. However I am serious that based on your posts I would hope you lost. I said it that way to eliminate any personal aspect
 
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utvolpj said:
Bush increased govt and spent like a liberal. No one has claimed he was great but the thought that his successor has been any better at all is simply ridiculous

then why did you celebrate when W was gone if you knew nothing would get better? Seems pretty stupid
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Ok so even if one is to believe debt was the reason for our recession. Why do they think Obama is better than bush? He is essentially doubling down on Bush's economic policy. It makes no sense
 
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BTW, the real culprit for the recession is Alan Greenspan. IMO

Kept rates way too low for too long. Created the bubble
 
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Through_The_T said:
This is why nobody can take you seriously. Also, how is George W. Bush responsible for your family "losing big?" Specifics would be nice, because as of now, it seems like you have an agenda and are simply basing your argument off of that.
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Take me serious? Who the **** are you? Child please. Miss me with elitist bull****.
 
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PimpVol said:
You had no case. Just jumping in someone else's. If you got something to say, say it. Be gone bandwaggoner.
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This is a message board and in this particular forum, we are discussing politics. I said what I had to say. Are you coherent?

You've yet to explain your position with specifics, rather, are using generalizations and biased opinions to form your argument. It's your right to approach it this way, but it makes you look extremely foolish.
 
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#93
utvolpj said:
they will repeal Obamacare which will automatically lower taxes. You are again quoting a study that used some very big guesses to claim Romney will raise taxes on the middle. In fact, Romney claims it won't
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Obamacare will not be repealed. It may be tweaked to death but it will not be repealed. As bad as the bill is there are some good things in it that will now be political suicide to do away with.

When Romney and the GOP says repeal and replace doesn't that tell you it all is not going away?

They use to use the word repeal, now they all use repeal and replace.
 
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PimpVol said:
Which is why I have not made said claim.
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only claims you have made are that W stole from you, is responsible for this country's current condition and that you celebrated when Obama won. What are we to infer from that?
 
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utvolpj said:
it's definitely on some so he's not interested in helping the entire middle class. Only those that believe in what he's doing should benefit

How do you get that Romney is raising taxes without quoting some half-baked study?
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As I understand it, Obamacare imposes a tax on people who are not directly participating in either insurance or Medicare, Medicaid, and programs of that sort, the theory being that they get medical care anyway, one way or another, and ought not be permitted to freeload in perpetuity. I really think this is why Romney adopted the program in Mass. -- because it spread the cost of previously unfunded care back to where it belongs, i.e. the people getting it.

As to Romney, the study done on this is by the Tax Policy Center. I looked around a bit and seems like they are pretty well respected. In fact, the criticism for them I saw on this seemed pretty muted. Really contesting whether there might be some ways that Romney could avoid some of the tax increase, but that would depend on him making certain choices that so far he hasn't said he would do. Sort of like saying, "yeah, its true, but if the facts were different, they'd be different."



If there is some source that explains that, as proposed, Romney's plan would not increase taxes as claimed, I'd be happy to take a gander.
 
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Through_The_T said:
This is a message board and in this particular forum, we are discussing politics. I said what I had to say. Are you coherent?

You've yet to explain your position with specifics, rather, are using generalizations and biased opinions to form your argument. It's your right to approach it this way, but it makes you look extremely foolish.
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Ooh. I look foolish, per you. I really care. Again, miss me dude.
 
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Gramps said:
I am not voting for Obama nor Romney but the bolded could also be said about Romney.


No one knows what Romneys agenda is.
His words do not match his PUBLIC record.

I doubt Romney himself knows where he stands on the issues.
It is hard to find an issue that Romney has stuck with, with the exception of his approval of minimum wage.
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To a point you are right but out of the two one will be POTUS and I trust MR more. If you ask why, lets just say he is the evil money grubbing rich guy the dems potray him as, then I trust his greed!

Greed is good, if the rich guys are not buyng yachts, planes, mansions ext, then the there are no middle class/poor people needed to build them.
 
#98
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utvolpj said:
only claims you have made are that W stole from you, is responsible for this country's current condition and that you celebrated when Obama won. What are we to infer from that?
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Erroneously infer what you like. "Free country" pal. I have said enough to not be misquoted. Thanks.
 
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lawgator1 said:
As I understand it, Obamacare imposes a tax
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you could stop there. It's a new tax imposed by Obama

lawgator1 said:
As to Romney, the study done on this is by the Tax Policy Center. I looked around a bit and seems like they are pretty well respected. In fact, the criticism for them I saw on this seemed pretty muted. Really contesting whether there might be some ways that Romney could avoid some of the tax increase, but that would depend on him making certain choices that so far he hasn't said he would do. Sort of like saying, "yeah, its true, but if the facts were different, they'd be different."



If there is some source that explains that, as proposed, Romney's plan would not increase taxes as claimed, I'd be happy to take a gander.
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the "study" is based on no specifics. Pretty sure that's even stated by them. Did you believe Obama when he said he wouldn't raise taxes on anyone making over $250k too? Why not Romney?
 
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