Official Dave Hart is Officially Woefully Inept Thread

#76
#76
TOP said:
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What's embarrassing is how pathetic we'll look if we end up with Jimbo Fisher, Al Golden, Charlie Strong or Larry Fedora. Especially if we have 3 more seasons of 7 losses.

Living in big 10 country, I can tell you that everyone I know still laughs about Lane Kiffin, told me he was a tool the first time he opened his mouth and they all believe Tennessee has become irrelevant. Heck, go read Vandymania or Hogville and even they think our team has become a joke. That's coming from fanbases that don't even have an SEC championship under their belt.

If you think the reaction from our fanbase about Hart is embarrassing, you should step outside of Tennessee and see what fans say about our team. For the most part, they don't acknowledge Tennessee football and when they do, it's pure mockery. Don't let being in the SEC fool you, they just view the top few teams as dominant and everyone else as bottom feeders. The fact that Vandy has made it to consecutive bowls and we've finished below .500 that past three seasons has given credence to that belief.

I'm glad you're really confident in the coaching search but calling our fans embarrassing for being wary just adds fuel to this dysfunctional situation. This football program has become a laughing stock around the country. My good friend who doesn't even follow the SEC closely other than the top teams, just texted me the other day laughing that he read an article about our athletic department having a 4 million dollar deficit. That is how people view Tennessee football at moment, a punchline.

Not sure why you're essentially calling people stupid if they don't believe Hart did everything he could to get Gruden. Could just as easily say it's stupid to believe he did because unless you're Hart or Gruden, you're just assuming. To each their own but if we don't end up with Gruden, the only thing I find embarrassing is myself for having spent so much time in the Gruden thread and believing it's a done deal, an MOU was signed etc. It was the exact same stuff being saie by Arkansas fans since April. As far as I know, we all got trolled and none of the stuff said was true at all. It's obvious at least one fanbase was lied to and if one was lied to, common sense would tell you both were lied to seeing as it was the exact same info.

To each their own but I guess I'm just a halfwit because I'm in the camp that will be pissed off with Hart if we end with Jimbo Fisher, Al Golden, Charlie Strong or Larry Fedora. Quite frankly, I think Bob Stoops wouldn't be that great of a hire either. Despite playing in the Big 12 and bordering Texas, he's lost at least 2 games in 12 of 14 seasons. His resume is no better than Fulmer's or a number of other coaches that have been in the SEC the past 10 or 20 years. And doing it in the SEC is obviously harder, especially if you're comparing Tennessee's pipeline to Oklahoma's.

I really can't help but be down given the names that have been floated around. If the lists that have been mentioned are true, people have a right to be upset. Should just let the academics keep that 18 million because another Dooley-esque hire like Golden or Strong will be the same as flushing it down the toilet.
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What the hell are we supposed to do, honestly? Is no one except Gruden good enough.
 
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TOP said:
Link?

I really can't help but be down given the names that have been floated around. If the lists that have been mentioned are true, people have a right to be upset. Should just let the academics keep that 18 million because another Dooley-esque hire like Golden or Strong will be the same as flushing it down the toilet.
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Exactly. With these names I see no future for UT football. After 38 years of season tickets and contributions, I am out of here. Nothing will get any better under hart and the current regime. They do not care, so why should I.
 
#78
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orangegrass said:
The fire and over reaction has been on message boards - period! Posters on these boards have built, fueled and fanned this fire. Everyone has a source, a friend, a relative or boss who supposedly knows something. This information is listed under a "Rumor" thread. That is all that this has been from the beginning. How are you going to blame Hart? What is true and what is just hear say? Will we ever know?
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All he had to do was come out and say it was all false. Would have taken about 30 seconds. In fact, I wrote a press release for him in a post above. Took me about 15 seconds.
 
#79
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VolinArizona said:
The problem is that a bunch of people on a message board got caught up in what other people on a message board said - and then took it as gospel.

Dave Hart has not been sitting on his hands this whole time. There is no logical or rational option for the contrary. If you truly, truly believe that, you are living in the fantasy world Bob Lamonte spoke of.
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Exactly. And the only ones with the problem are the ones who believed what the others were saying. All of these people all of a sudden have "sources" close to the situation. They were just playing the odds and trying to gain some credibility.

If Hart makes a terrible hire then we can bash him but I don't believe for a second Hart has just been sitting around
 
#81
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VolinArizona said:
Got it. I sometimes think the world revolves around me. :)

On skeeter: he predicted Lamar Dawson to UT. He also has admittedly put out fake info to catch people. He's pretty dang good I think, but nobody on any site is 100% accurate.
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I agree, no one is even close to being correct all the time.

I only mentioned Skeeter because he is the only person who alleges that he works in the AD, and he has commented numerous times this week that Hart had been in his office all week.

Obviously plenty of work can be done over the phone from your own office - but the allegations from Gruden's agent that Hart never reached out to him until this morning are pretty remarkable, IF TRUE.
 
#82
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orangegrass said:
The fire and over reaction has been on message boards - period! Posters on these boards have built, fueled and fanned this fire. Everyone has a source, a friend, a relative or boss who supposedly knows something. This information is listed under a "Rumor" thread. That is all that this has been from the beginning. How are you going to blame Hart? What is true and what is just hear say? Will we ever know?
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^^^ This times a thousand.

I know everyone is dying to find out who the new coach is, but if you're taking things super-seriously in a forum LITERALLY ENTITLED "Tennessee Coaching Rumors and Speculation" then using these rumors to call for Hart's firing, try to think critically about what you're doing!

Let's try our best (and be on our best behavior) to not be Arkansas!
 
#83
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
Obviously plenty of work can be done over the phone from your own office - but the allegations from Gruden's agent that Hart never reached out to him until this morning are pretty remarkable, IF TRUE.
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If true is the key part. Gruden's agent would never divulge explicit details about minor discussions he's had with UT. It would be bad for everyone involved. These people know what they're doing.

edit: from a PR point, at least
 
#85
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VolinArizona said:
It wasn't all false.
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I infer from this post that you think negotiations were taking place with the Gruden camp this whole time, in which case Hart had his eggs firmly in that basket and then it somehow slipped away, either through Hart's fault or Gruden just deciding against it.... or really any other scenario leading to the end result that it didn't work out.

Even if all that happened, The PR nightmare that has resulted from Gruden's agent's comments is a huge black eye on this coaching search that could and should have been avoided by Hart communicating with the fan base and the public at large.
 
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TOP said:
Link?

What's embarrassing is how pathetic we'll look if we end up with Jimbo Fisher, Al Golden, Charlie Strong or Larry Fedora. Especially if we have 3 more seasons of 7 losses.

Living in big 10 country, I can tell you that everyone I know still laughs about Lane Kiffin, told me he was a tool the first time he opened his mouth and they all believe Tennessee has become irrelevant. Heck, go read Vandymania or Hogville and even they think our team has become a joke. That's coming from fanbases that don't even have an SEC championship under their belt.

If you think the reaction from our fanbase about Hart is embarrassing, you should step outside of Tennessee and see what fans say about our team. For the most part, they don't acknowledge Tennessee football and when they do, it's pure mockery. Don't let being in the SEC fool you, they just view the top few teams as dominant and everyone else as bottom feeders. The fact that Vandy has made it to consecutive bowls and we've finished below .500 that past three seasons has given credence to that belief.

I'm glad you're really confident in the coaching search but calling our fans embarrassing for being wary just adds fuel to this dysfunctional situation. This football program has become a laughing stock around the country. My good friend who doesn't even follow the SEC closely other than the top teams, just texted me the other day laughing that he read an article about our athletic department having a 4 million dollar deficit. That is how people view Tennessee football at moment, a punchline.

Not sure why you're essentially calling people stupid if they don't believe Hart did everything he could to get Gruden. Could just as easily say it's stupid to believe he did because unless you're Hart or Gruden, you're just assuming. To each their own but if we don't end up with Gruden, the only thing I find embarrassing is myself for having spent so much time in the Gruden thread and believing it's a done deal, an MOU was signed etc. It was the exact same stuff being saie by Arkansas fans since April. As far as I know, we all got trolled and none of the stuff said was true at all. It's obvious at least one fanbase was lied to and if one was lied to, common sense would tell you both were lied to seeing as it was the exact same info.

To each their own but I guess I'm just a halfwit because I'm in the camp that will be pissed off with Hart if we end with Jimbo Fisher, Al Golden, Charlie Strong or Larry Fedora. Quite frankly, I think Bob Stoops wouldn't be that great of a hire either. Despite playing in the Big 12 and bordering Texas, he's lost at least 2 games in 12 of 14 seasons. His resume is no better than Fulmer's or a number of other coaches that have been in the SEC the past 10 or 20 years. And doing it in the SEC is obviously harder, especially if you're comparing Tennessee's pipeline to Oklahoma's.

I really can't help but be down given the names that have been floated around. If the lists that have been mentioned are true, people have a right to be upset. Should just let the academics keep that 18 million because another Dooley-esque hire like Golden or Strong will be the same as flushing it down the toilet.
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The gang on the Tim Brando show just said Petrino to Aubby, Malzahn to Arky and Dykes, Berry, or Taggart to UT when asked who they saw as the likely coaches for the open jobs in the SEC. Looks like the Vols are a laughing stock to me.
 
#92
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Achilles said:
I believe he changed his tone a few days ago and said he wasn't coming
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My point is that I don't give anymore credence to a poster who says that Hart has been in the office doing nothing this whole time that I do to anyone who says Coach X is coming, book it.
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#93
#93
All I know is hart has to make a solid hire of the stands will be even worse next year.

1.9 million in reserves can be gone real quick.
 
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#96
#96
wesrucker247 I think Hart's good. RT @AlexDykes25: @wesrucker247 Can you please tell these fools that firing Dave Hart is not the answer?
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This tells me all I need to know about the quality of Hart
 
#98
#98
I'm sure Hart is sitting on the internet and gives a crap about all of this ....come on .....
 
#100
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
Overreaction?

I think not.

If what LaMonte says is true and Dave Hart only reached out to him for the first time this morning as a courtesy.... His ass should be on the next bus back to Tuscaloosa.

What a clown.

The fact that he couldn't get Gruden is one thing. The fan base can get over that.

But letting this volcano erupt for the last two weeks while he apparently sat on his thumb in his office doing nothing?!?!

This is the most botched coaching search one could ever imagine...... And apparently its not even close to being over.

Put me in the group that thinks we might as well search for a new AD as well.

/rant
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I would agree- at least offer the guy.
 
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