Official "eat crow" because Butch was hired here thread

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tnfalcon said:
This fanbase has been through enough to warrant not jumping on board yet. (Especially with Cheek still running things)

More and more people are coming around though.
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I just hope Jones, Hart, or someone else at UT, can find a way to prevent Jimmy Cheek from eating boogers in public. Aside from that, I feel with the turn of events from the day Jones was introduced until this week, with the early commitments for 2014, this staff has, so far, exceeded expectations. Lots of folks were disappointed with the loss of Jay Graham, which I felt was the only "mistake" that has been made in the Jones era. Some of us felt the 2013 class could have been better. We missed on a few like Von Bell and Derrick Green, but I feel with limited time to build, Jones and Co. brought in some good key building blocks like Marquez North and Joshua Dobbs.

I think back to the day the Jones hire was announced. Many of us had wished for Jon Gruden to come in, but he didn't want it. It also hurt some of us when Charlie Strong turned us down. When the news came that our new coach was Butch Jones, some of us confused him with Butch Davis. My only comfort was his name was NOT Derrick Dooley. As Jones was flying in to Knoxville from Cincinnati, I was only hoping he wasn't just the next mistake in a growing succession of the disloyal (Kiffin and friends) and incompetent (Dooley).

I was convinced we had our coach when Hart introduced him, and he addressed the Vol faithful for the first time. As I listened to him, the first thoughts that hit me was 1. This guy wants to be here. He believes in what the Tennessee football team stands for, and what it should be in the future. 2. This guy is no nonsense, and seems to have a higher sense of ethics. I don't know how a lot of other people feel, but I was growing sick and tired of reading about players being arrested during the last years of the Fulmer era, and thought Kiffin (the Richardson Jackson incident at the pilot station) and Dooley (the Cameron Clear thefts) didn't do much better. 3. This guy knows how to connect with people. He actually cares about who his players are as people, and not just as great athletes. He is not just a coach, he is a mentor. And that has been solely lacking for far too long.

A lot of folks, during the coaching search to replace Dooley, were looking for a "home run hire". I am going on record here. Even though Butch Jones has not coached his first game for the Vols, from the results I have seen since he arrived in Knoxville, he is not a home run hire. He is a grand slam in game 7 of the world series. And just in case Butch Jones happens to see this, Thank you for coming to Tennessee. One more crazy old fart is behind you all the way to the top.
 
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The only difference between those pining for Dooley and the ones pining for Fulmer is the Fulmer supporters actually have a leg to stand on. The fact remains in both cases that neither are coming back.
 
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terrypedigo said:
Boys on first I was disappointed, then when he said his dream job was TENNESSEE i think he meant it, and then when he got his foot in the door on some top recruits in 6 weeks and now what we got for 2014 class i know he will win and win big here but this year we got to hang in there, coach will get the talent and in year 3 we will win and win big, but we got to hang in there this year, he is working his azz off so we have to give him time he will bring the BIG ORANGE BACK TO THE TOP not just the SEC but the country, fired up think head butt the wall, or do something stupid, go VOL the BIG ORANGE is coming back to the top in the near future.
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Seriously think it will happen sooner than most think. It think it will be tough to beat some of the better teams Tennessee plays in the SEC, but I also think Vols will be more competitive no matter who is not the schedule. Mission number one is to regain respect. Oh and by the way, reaching the top of the SEC IS reaching the top in the country.
 
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Never ceases to amaze me how so many on this site are so intolerant of opinions different from their own.
 
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tm3 said:
Never ceases to amaze me how so many on this site are so intolerant of opinions different from their own.
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VKAman said:
If you title the thread "I was wrong," or something, that's one thing. When you name it "the official eating crow thread," it directly implies that this is where others should come to do the same.
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Dang straight. This is serious business.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
I was in the Gruden threads a lot and don't recall any of the regulars hoping that the Vols lost so that Dooley would be fired. This is a common misconception by the blind Dooley followers.
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Well when u don't mind certain beliefs u tend to overlook them and they don't stand out as much as they should. Some on here, including regulars, weren't afraid to admit they were hoping for a vols loss and some that wouldn't say it just pressed the like button. So it's no misconception my friend.

But again this is VN which is full of common misconceptions. Its the norm around here. Especially by people that are incapable of doing thier own research.

butchna said:
Thanks BB my reply had the same points but a few more cuss words...I stayed positive about Dooley from his hiring until after the Missouri game...I respect you Oskie and if you want to camp out in front of Neyland Stadium with a REHIRE DEREK DOOLEY banner unfurled more power to you but it seems like you're stubbornly holding on to this dead point...good luck
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If people could really comprehend the things I write, instead of taking one sentence out, they would know that my issue isn't with the coaching situation but the way this fanbase is. Dooley is just the most current example of what this fanbase can be like. One day u are great the next u r the stupid person on the face of the earth. At this pt it's in the gene pool though as Majors dealt with it.

I just lose respect for people's opinion when they feel they have to degrade someone else to make them feel better about themselves. People on here call Dooley an idiot, doofus etc yet the guy would walk circles around every one of us on here when it comes to CFB and SEC football. And many when it comes to TN football.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Cinci recruiting, per Rivals.

2012 - 50th - CBJ
2011 - 49th - CBJ
2010 - 59th - CBJ
2009 - 60th - CBK
2008 - 67th - CBK
2007 - 89th - CBK
2006 - 108th - CBK
2005 - 94th - Pre-CBK
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CBk 1st yr to 3rd yr down 39 spots. CBJ 1st to 3rd down 10.

What these #s tell me is tha CBJ can sustain when someone else did all the grunt work. Which is a good thing cause that's the same situation he has walked into at UT. Is that positive enough comment for y'all???
 
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Escape Goat said:
Ill start off. I was out of town, and almost gave up on us ever having a capable coach when I read the news of Jones being hired. I of course did some research, and as always (Dooley being the lone exception( convinced myself he could get the job done. My lone worry was recruiting. I knew recruiting to UT, was different that Cincy, and that if he was good, we would see the results. Well, he has blown past my best expectations in a little over three months. The man has proven he can coach, and now he is showing everyone he can recruit. Russia got a falling star, UT may have gotten one too. But only people getting hurt here are opposing coaches feelings, knowing they can no longer cherry pick this states top talent. If this week is any inclination of what's to come, consider me giddy.

I was wrong about Butch. Any others?
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Dooley could recruit. I'm not too concerned about how well he can recruit. I'm worried (not too badly however) about if he can coach with the big boys. Actually, I'm not so worried about if he can as I am about if what he does will work. What happens if his system doest work as wonderfully as he hopes? Can he adjust? Can he outcoach on important plays? Does he spank mid majors and UK etc then look silly against Saban? That would be a Stoops.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
I was in the Gruden threads a lot and don't recall any of the regulars hoping that the Vols lost so that Dooley would be fired. This is a common misconception by the blind Dooley followers.
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Doyle, I hate to disagree, but I did see a couple or three posts stating that very thing.....I can't remember where they were nor am I going to look them up. They did seem to be drive-by accounts (say less than 100 or so posts), but they were there. I'm not nor was I a blind Dooley follower but I was a fence rider until the FL game this year. It was then that I knew that Tyrick Brayley had to go.
 
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BaldBiker said:
Which past are you referring to. The tradition filled winning past, or the least few years (which isn't really that common) past? Just want to know, so I don't cause us to repeat the wrong one.
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How about we go with the tradition filled past of 7-8 wins per year plus a bowl trip?
 
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Oskie Volum said:
R u kidding me?!?! Did all u people calling others negative miss the whole Gruden Forum last fall???? That was full of negative and hurt recruiting and brought the season down. The same people trying to stop the real negativity are now being called negative by the real negative people. Funny how things work out. Ha!!

People that r being cautiously optimistic and taking it day by day aren't being negative. People hoping we lose so that Dooley gets fired so we get Gruden were.

Our '14 class always had potential for being a great class no matter the coach. Even for Dooley if he would have gotten positive support. It's hard to recruit when u r on a warm/hot seat the whole time. Anyway, '14 has an odd combination of very talented legacies and in state talent. This is like a new business's grand opening day success being used to project future success but not taking into acct that the grand opening was full of family and friends. Like others said i want to see how it goes when he has to go into GA, FL, etc and starts pulling top talent. That would be a true testament to his recruiting abilities. Not saying he can't or that I'm not happy we got the current commits but I and others are gonna wait and see. Hope for the best cause at the end of the day that means success for UT and that's all I care about.

At the end of the day all y'all going nuts about him getting the current commits will flame out on CBJ if he doesn't seal up the Berry twins. That's what some of us are trying to prevent. People can come on here and Sun Tzu all they want but at the end of the day knowing this fan base, better known as "The Legion of the Miserable," I'm gonna go with Santayana's....."Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
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OV, you and I see eye to eye on a lot of things, but, even you have to admit that after the FL game it was evident that he was not an SEC caliber coach. Even Akron showed him up. CDD had to go, even more so than CPF.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
How about we go with the tradition filled past of 7-8 wins per year plus a bowl trip?
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That would be the one I would prefer to go with.

Seeing as to how the top 10 all time winning programs, of which TN is among, Average 8 - 9 wins a year.....sounds good to me.

Sounds a whole lot better than harping on the last few years at least.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
OV, you and I see eye to eye on a lot of things, but, even you have to admit that after the FL game it was evident that he was not an SEC caliber coach. Even Akron showed him up. CDD had to go, even more so than CPF.
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Im glad we agree on many things but I don't agree with u here. We haven't beat fl since 04 so tough to say he failed cause he sucks. What I did see was a team that was beating Florida almost into the 4th qtr. muschamp needed to try to fake punt to change the game momentum but our D stepped it up and stopped them. The O went 3 and out and here comes the tired D and they got beat on some big plays. Many bash this team but I thought they played hard. I saw a team that had improved over the yr before by taking games to the wire instead of being spanked in the 2nd half. Baby steps...

Teams like Akron, Troy etc have solid talent, good well coached schemes on the offensive side and they can play teams tough. Many solid mid majors have good offenses but bad Ds. Kind of like LA Tech gave the Aggies a scare. These teams aren't rollovers like they use to be and they need to be respected IMO.

Fl got scares from BG, UL ragin Cajuns, They didn't spank Mizzou either and then there is UL.

It takes time to get things going when u r pretty much rebuilding from scratch.

Side note that goes with this: I'm concerned about the Western KY game this season. They have a solid team to start and now have Petrino. Are u going to hold CBJ to the same criteria if WKY gives us a game or beats us?? I know it's his first yr and all but it's WKY and a team like that, according to fans on here, should never compete with UT. Also it will be Petrinos first season back too. Tell u right now all this lovie dovie stuff will flame out if WKY gives us a game or beats us and that is not going to be good. This type of flame out is what some of us are trying to chill out so it doesn't start hurting the team when UT fans do what they do best...be miserable.

All IMHO that's all...
 
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