Official "eat crow" because Butch was hired here thread

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Escape Goat said:
Ill start off. I was out of town, and almost gave up on us ever having a capable coach when I read the news of Jones being hired. I of course did some research, and as always (Dooley being the lone exception( convinced myself he could get the job done. My lone worry was recruiting. I knew recruiting to UT, was different that Cincy, and that if he was good, we would see the results. Well, he has blown past my best expectations in a little over three months. The man has proven he can coach, and now he is showing everyone he can recruit. Russia got a falling star, UT may have gotten one too. But only people getting hurt here are opposing coaches feelings, knowing they can no longer cherry pick this states top talent. If this week is any inclination of what's to come, consider me giddy.

I was wrong about Butch. Any others?
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I think the announcement was harder on the folks who were Gruden Thread regulars...I know you were. The OGs would drop nuggets of Gruden info that had some almost entirely convinced that it was going to be Gruden, so when we ended up hiring a 4th choice coach, alot of folks were very upset. I don't know for sure if he was the 4th choice, but I know we at least reached out to Gruden, Fedora, Strong and Gundy before CBJ...maybe even Golden too. I'm personally optimistic, but as another early poster said...we gotta see some games first. I just hope he has a decent first year; vols fans are more impatient than ever right now. I wouldn't want to see him get skewered for having a rough first season (which ofcourse any first-year HC has a decent chance of having).
 
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Insunseri said:
I think the announcement was harder on the folks who were Gruden Thread regulars...I know you were. The OGs would drop nuggets of Gruden info that had some almost entirely convinced that it was going to be Gruden, so when we ended up hiring a 4th choice coach, alot of folks were very upset. I don't know for sure if he was the 4th choice, but I know we at least reached out to Gruden, Fedora, Strong and Gundy before CBJ...maybe even Golden too. I'm personally optimistic, but as another early poster said...we gotta see some games first. I just hope he has a decent first year; vols fans are more impatient than ever right now. I wouldn't want to see him get skewered for having a rough first season (which ofcourse any first-year HC has a decent chance of having).
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Like any new coach. Three years minimum. On the right track in his first four months.
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
Like any new coach. Three years minimum. On the right track in his first four months.
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Right...I agree completely, but do you think the bulk of UT fans will think as logically as that if he has a bad to awful first season? Meh, it's all speculation at this point.
 
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Insunseri said:
Right...I agree completely, but do you think the bulk of UT fans will think as logically as that if he has a bad to awful first season? Meh, it's all speculation at this point.
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Maybe. If he don't do we'll I'm sure I'll vent too but this is year zero. :)
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Well well well um um um go find another team to root for if your going to be so negative then. We don't need this type of negative opinions around here. Stop trying to change people's opnion on Fulmer as its not ur responsibility or place to change the 90s or our thought on him. Understand Mister?? :).

It's funny how we agree on things on this side of the ball but pretty different in our other convo. Ha!! But it is good to find people who are able to have civil discussions without "feelings" dictating it. :hi:
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It is kinda weird we see eye to eye on football and not much on social issues/religion.

However, I always have an open mind and am down for thoughtful, civil discussion of all kinds. Too much dumbassery in these parts. You should hang around the political forum more often. :hi:
 
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KBVol said:
Feel the same way. Not trying pump up Phil at all. Just felt the need to state a few facts. I scratched my head many, many times when Phil was roaming the sideline, especially in the second halfs of many games. But 152-52 and a national championship is.... 152-52 and a national championship. Especially in the context of where our program sits today.

For somebody to get on here and spew that vitriol and try to the rewrite the history of one of our programs most successful and storied periods just isn't right to me and it needs to be pointed out, IMHO.
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I did not try to "rewrite" history. I just gave it proper context. Something that isn't found a lot in these parts.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
In your responses you blame Tyler Bray for jacking up the great Dooley's playcalling. Did you learn that from your favorite coach? My point is, you say support the team and yet you throw players under the bus. You are a Dooley fan more than a Tennessee fan. Another thing, it has been well documented that Dooley distanced the program from former players and the press while he was here. Did it ever occur to you that the real reason he did this was to avoid being revealed for the fraud that he was?
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Give me a break!!! *I'm tired of all you hypocrites that come on here with all this "support the coach cause he's the current coach" and "feel what u want to" crap NOW...pathetic! Especially since y'all were ok with flaming it away last season as if it didn't effect players that were working their tails off. *Dooley was the coach and yes I think he got wronged but UT is what I care for. Not like some on here who only care about the sports teams but I care about the whole package. *I'm doing what I can to put my opinion out there so this fan base doesn't crash and burn again. *In case u were to busy pouring gas on the flames to notice last fall UTs coaching seat can flame up quickly. *I and very few were the only ones that truly supported this team at its bottom, not wishing for losses so Dooley would get fired.*

Let me get this straight...u are saying that players have nothing to do with the game?? *I've said it for yrs that Dooley got stuck with Bray being the only horse he could ride. *Bray took advantage of this and rode it. *So to u if on ur ur anniversary an employee at ur favorite shoneys decides to tea bag*ur chop steak, leaving a pube, u blame the mgr for being disgusting or do u blame the employee?? *Yes the mgr needs to calm u down and give u coupons etc, but do u and the little lady drive home discussing how bad a mgr he is or the employees upbringing?? *Yes, as "capt obvious" poster of the day said...coaches give a # of plays for the QB to use, but that's not what the arguments they had were iirc. *It was bray doing his own thing and not listening. In turn messing up the game-plan. *Again this is from a poster who witness all this not just me making this up or "half truths" like the grammar police is accusing me of.*

I find it funny how people like u act like Dooley was the only coach in history to alienate some of the press, get penalize for having 13 players on the field, etc etc. *What's wrong with having some structure to former players coming around??? *It's not that difficult to understand the importance of such structure. *Especially at such a crazy time in the AD. Do u really think U, a random poster with no actual inside info, can accuse someone of being a fraud??? Ok bud :good!:
 
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I could maybe understand if you're saying that Dooley wasn't as bad as he's made out to be (though I strongly disagree, as I think he's about as bad of a coach as one can possibly be), but I don't think anyone in their right mind can actually argue that he was doing a GOOD job while he was here.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
It is kinda weird we see eye to eye on football and not much on social issues/religion.

However, I always have an open mind and am down for thoughtful, civil discussion of all kinds. Too much dumbassery in these parts. You should hang around the political forum more often. :hi:
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Yeah I find that interesting as well. For the record u don't have me stumped over there. I've read it and need to find time to look up some of the specifics. Have to dig up some books I haven't read in a few yrs. I'll get back to u soon when I have time.

I totally agree with the lack of finding open minded conversation around here. I'll start coming around there more for sure. :hi: The issue around here for me is that I succeed on my ability to see future trends, positive or negative, and deciding how to get ahead of them appropriately. So it takes more than just a couple of sentences to try to get my pt across, because the majority of people can't see things like I do. Im use to it though. Ha!

People accuse me of not supporting the coach but I've never said that. After this past season I worry that expectations will be set to high and then if things go bad...POP!...there goes the balloon. I'm concerned if CBJ can handle this fan base at it's most miserable. I'm not just concerned about the big rival games. I'm concerned about WKY, Vandy, Auburn and until I see KY play they aren't a gurantee win either. I look at our schedule next yr with a brand new coach, and I would be fooling myself if I didn't prep myself for the worst losing season in UT history. ATM 9-10 games next yr are toss ups imo. What will this place be like if that happens??? Think CBJ will survive that??? Will we be getting a new coach?? etc etc.

(And to the peeps with reading comprehension issues I don't want us to lose or being negative just an opinion and bringing up an actual possibility.)
 
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VKAman said:
I could maybe understand if you're saying that Dooley wasn't as bad as he's made out to be (though I strongly disagree, as I think he's about as bad of a coach as one can possibly be), but I don't think anyone in their right mind can actually argue that he was doing a GOOD job while he was here.
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That's fair. Yes it looked bad but to me there were so many "behind the scene" issues with UT that needed to get fixed from day 1 IMO he was never afforded the opportunity to only be the HC. Because of this is why I believe the guy was wronged. Not because I love him more than UT. He finally started get from behind the 8 ball and gone. Now we r hoping CBJ gets things straight in 3-4yrs.

To many issues from the ncaa on campus to players he had to pamper to try to keep an already depleted roster together. Perfect example is J Jackson...the kid was a great talent but a bad apple...given many chances but needed to go. Many like to throw around the great classes Dooley inherited but don't consider all that left. But to them they all left cause of Dooley only...smh.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
I did not try to "rewrite" history. I just gave it proper context. Something that isn't found a lot in these parts.
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No offense, but it seemed more like about half of that was just your opinion dressed up as "proper context". Some of the points I'll give you, in particular that some of the SEC was down. I wasn't a huge Fulmer fan, I can acknowledge his shortcomings, e.g, that he might've won another 15 games and a couple more SEC titles if we was a better sideline coach able to make in game adjustments.

But I also acknowledge that he won 3 out of every 4 games he coached, tremendous, consistent top 10, even top 5 recruiting classes, the SEC titles, the National Championship. He was also the guy who hired and ran a very successful staff which did its job very well. Come on PKT, gotta give a little here and give him his due for putting the Vols back on the national map, despite your dislike for him.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
That's fair. Yes it looked bad but to me there were so many "behind the scene" issues with UT that needed to get fixed from day 1 IMO he was never afforded the opportunity to only be the HC. Because of this is why I believe the guy was wronged. Not because I love him more than UT. He finally started get from behind the 8 ball and gone. Now we r hoping CBJ gets things straight in 3-4yrs.

To many issues from the ncaa on campus to players he had to pamper to try to keep an already depleted roster together. Perfect example is J Jackson...the kid was a great talent but a bad apple...given many chances but needed to go. Many like to throw around the great classes Dooley inherited but don't consider all that left. But to them they all left cause of Dooley only...smh.
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Dealing with the "behind the scenes issues" is part of the HFC job description. He was given the opportunity to the "only the HC".

It did not turn out well. Thus, he is gone.

CDD haters should let it go.

CDD supporters should too.

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Oskie Volum said:
Give me a break!!! *I'm tired of all you hypocrites that come on here with all this "support the coach cause he's the current coach" and "feel what u want to" crap NOW...pathetic! Especially since y'all were ok with flaming it away last season as if it didn't effect players that were working their tails off. *Dooley was the coach and yes I think he got wronged but UT is what I care for. Not like some on here who only care about the sports teams but I care about the whole package. *I'm doing what I can to put my opinion out there so this fan base doesn't crash and burn again. *In case u were to busy pouring gas on the flames to notice last fall UTs coaching seat can flame up quickly. *I and very few were the only ones that truly supported this team at its bottom, not wishing for losses so Dooley would get fired.*

Let me get this straight...u are saying that players have nothing to do with the game?? *I've said it for yrs that Dooley got stuck with Bray being the only horse he could ride. *Bray took advantage of this and rode it. *So to u if on ur ur anniversary an employee at ur favorite shoneys decides to tea bag*ur chop steak, leaving a pube, u blame the mgr for being disgusting or do u blame the employee?? *Yes the mgr needs to calm u down and give u coupons etc, but do u and the little lady drive home discussing how bad a mgr he is or the employees upbringing?? *Yes, as "capt obvious" poster of the day said...coaches give a # of plays for the QB to use, but that's not what the arguments they had were iirc. *It was bray doing his own thing and not listening. In turn messing up the game-plan. *Again this is from a poster who witness all this not just me making this up or "half truths" like the grammar police is accusing me of.*

I find it funny how people like u act like Dooley was the only coach in history to alienate some of the press, get penalize for having 13 players on the field, etc etc. *What's wrong with having some structure to former players coming around??? *It's not that difficult to understand the importance of such structure. *Especially at such a crazy time in the AD. Do u really think U, a random poster with no actual inside info, can accuse someone of being a fraud??? Ok bud :good!:
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Arguing with you is pointless.
You should thank god each day that you were not born at a different time and had met Jim Jones.
Good day to you.
 
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butchna said:
Thanks and the positive posters on here aren't trying to get anyone to jump on board before they're ready...if they ever are..the tiffs on here usually occur when someone who hasn't bought in mocks fans that are excited about what Butch has done so far...we're not idiots...we know success is proven on the field...we just want to do our waiting and seeing with a smile on our faces
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One of the best posts ever.
 
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