Official "eat crow" because Butch was hired here thread

[Spartacavolus]

Appreciate it man...apparently I make too many on here...so if I post a good one now and then, it's good to hear
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that's how I look at things and get railroaded sometimes. If it doesn't work out? I'll survive the massive letdown, as I try to manage other stuff with business, $$, taxes, wife, kids, dogs, house issues, and flat out aging. Worried about being letdown after having a positive outlook isn't in my blood.

 

[KBVol]

that's how I look at things and get railroaded sometimes. If it doesn't work out? I'll survive the massive letdown, as I try to manage other stuff with business, $$, taxes, wife, kids, dogs, house issues, and flat out aging. Worried about being letdown after having a positive outlook isn't in my blood.

Just gave Butch a run for his money. Perspective people. Thanks Sparty.

 

[butchna]

that's how I look at things and get railroaded sometimes. If it doesn't work out? I'll survive the massive letdown, as I try to manage other stuff with business, $$, taxes, wife, kids, dogs, house issues, and flat out aging. Worried about being letdown after having a positive outlook isn't in my blood.

Absolutely!...what KB said

 

[bg1968]

I was one of the people that were following the Gruden train and when Jones was hired i was so furious i threw my Tennessee hats away!!! I since have bought three new ones so that was a dumb thing to do, but i was convinced this hire may very well be the end of Tennessee football as we use to know it in the glory years. I realize we will not know for sure until we begin playing games but anyone has to be impressed with the way things have started. I know i am! You can not understate the vibe out there now from past players, the recruits now and the present players. I have totally changed my outlook and now believe we just may have finally gotten the coach we need. At least that is what i choose to believe until i am proven otherwise.

 

[BaldBiker]

I was one of the people that were following the Gruden train and when Jones was hired i was so furious i threw my Tennessee hats away!!! I since have bought three new ones so that was a dumb thing to do, but i was convinced this hire may very well be the end of Tennessee football as we use to know it in the glory years. I realize we will not know for sure until we begin playing games but anyone has to be impressed with the way things have started. I know i am! You can not understate the vibe out there now from past players, the recruits now and the present players. I have totally changed my outlook and now believe we just may have finally gotten the coach we need. At least that is what i choose to believe until i am proven otherwise.

This pretty much hits it on the head. I wasn't a Grudenite, but the rest of your statement pretty much sums it up for me. Until proven otherwise, i'll be excited for what has and is being done and hope that it continues. I've been a fan for a very long time. Have been through good and bad times. I like where it looks like we are going and am proud to call Butch Jones our coach. It is up to him to keep me feeling that way.

 

[KBVol]

This pretty much hits it on the head. I wasn't a Grudenite, but the rest of your statement pretty much sums it up for me. Until proven otherwise, i'll be excited for what has and is being done and hope that it continues. I've been a fan for a very long time. Have been through good and bad times. I like where it looks like we are going and am proud to call Butch Jones our coach. It is up to him to keep me feeling that way.

No homo? (Sorry Bald, had to)

 

[PKT_VOL]

I could maybe understand if you're saying that Dooley wasn't as bad as he's made out to be (though I strongly disagree, as I think he's about as bad of a coach as one can possibly be), but I don't think anyone in their right mind can actually argue that he was doing a GOOD job while he was here.

He was doing a good job here (overall), from a program stance, considering the conditions.

He is the only head coach, in the last two decades, that left the program in better shape than he found it.

People's irrational hatred of Dooley in these parts tend to severely, severely underestimate, dismiss, or forget just how bad the state of the program was when he took over.

That being said, he should have been let go.

 

[PKT_VOL]

Yeah I find that interesting as well. For the record u don't have me stumped over there. I've read it and need to find time to look up some of the specifics. Have to dig up some books I haven't read in a few yrs. I'll get back to u soon when I have time.

I totally agree with the lack of finding open minded conversation around here. I'll start coming around there more for sure. :hi: The issue around here for me is that I succeed on my ability to see future trends, positive or negative, and deciding how to get ahead of them appropriately. So it takes more than just a couple of sentences to try to get my pt across, because the majority of people can't see things like I do. Im use to it though. Ha!

People accuse me of not supporting the coach but I've never said that. After this past season I worry that expectations will be set to high and then if things go bad...POP!...there goes the balloon. I'm concerned if CBJ can handle this fan base at it's most miserable. I'm not just concerned about the big rival games. I'm concerned about WKY, Vandy, Auburn and until I see KY play they aren't a gurantee win either. I look at our schedule next yr with a brand new coach, and I would be fooling myself if I didn't prep myself for the worst losing season in UT history. ATM 9-10 games next yr are toss ups imo. What will this place be like if that happens??? Think CBJ will survive that??? Will we be getting a new coach?? etc etc.

(And to the peeps with reading comprehension issues I don't want us to lose or being negative just an opinion and bringing up an actual possibility.)

I have no idea how CBJ will do. I hope he does well. He can thank Dooley (although most will never admit it here) for improving the program dramatically from what it was when he took over.

The recruiting thus far has been pretty lucky. Hopefully, he does well other highly rated recruits who are not legacies.

The one thing I think CBJ will have a leg up on is luck. He has been lucky so far. Dooley was about the unluckiest guy I have ever seen. That second season was just brutal. For whatever reason I cannot explain, I think balls are going to start bouncing our way, injuries will be on the other sideline, and whistles will start to go our way more often. I tend to think most people believe Dooley's leaving has also taken the black cloud of misfortune with him. The recruiting thus far tend to give credence to this feeling.

 

[butchna]

I have no idea how CBJ will do. I hope he does well. He can thank Dooley (although most will never admit it here) for improving the program dramatically from what it was when he took over.

The recruiting thus far has been pretty lucky. Hopefully, he does well other highly rated recruits who are not legacies.

The one thing I think CBJ will have a leg up on is luck. He has been lucky so far. Dooley was about the unluckiest guy I have ever seen. That second season was just brutal. For whatever reason I cannot explain, I think balls are going to start bouncing our way, injuries will be on the other sideline, and whistles will start to go our way more often. I tend to think most people believe Dooley's leaving has also taken the black cloud of misfortune with him. The recruiting thus far tend to give credence to this feeling.

Dang!...you gloomy Goth fellas sure use a LOT OF WORDS
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[PKT_VOL]

No offense, but it seemed more like about half of that was just your opinion dressed up as "proper context". Some of the points I'll give you, in particular that some of the SEC was down. I wasn't a huge Fulmer fan, I can acknowledge his shortcomings, e.g, that he might've won another 15 games and a couple more SEC titles if we was a better sideline coach able to make in game adjustments.

But I also acknowledge that he won 3 out of every 4 games he coached, tremendous, consistent top 10, even top 5 recruiting classes, the SEC titles, the National Championship. He was also the guy who hired and ran a very successful staff which did its job very well. Come on PKT, gotta give a little here and give him his due for putting the Vols back on the national map, despite your dislike for him.

I said in my post that I was happy for his success here. I gave him credit.

The difference is I try to give context around here. Whether it is with Dooley (when everyone has their pitchforks) or Fulmer (when everyone is fapping).

 

[vollygirl]

I said in my post that I was happy for his success here. I gave him credit.

The difference is I try to give context around here. Whether it is with Dooley (when everyone has their pitchforks) or Fulmer (when everyone is fapping).

That "everyone" perspective is one reason it makes it hard to have a legit conversation. imo

 

[NashVol11]

He was doing a good job here (overall), from a program stance, considering the conditions.

He is the only head coach, in the last two decades, that left the program in better shape than he found it.

People's irrational hatred of Dooley in these parts tend to severely, severely underestimate, dismiss, or forget just how bad the state of the program was when he took over.

That being said, he should have been let go.

He is also the only head coach in the last two decades to lose to Kentucky. Any poster on this board could bring in top-25 classes with the facilities we have, but it takes a special kind of idiot to take a young team and somehow get worse and worse as they mature.

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

I have no idea how CBJ will do. I hope he does well. He can thank Dooley (although most will never admit it here) for improving the program dramatically from what it was when he took over.

The recruiting thus far has been pretty lucky. Hopefully, he does well other highly rated recruits who are not legacies.

The one thing I think CBJ will have a leg up on is luck. He has been lucky so far. Dooley was about the unluckiest guy I have ever seen. That second season was just brutal. For whatever reason I cannot explain, I think balls are going to start bouncing our way, injuries will be on the other sideline, and whistles will start to go our way more often. I tend to think most people believe Dooley's leaving has also taken the black cloud of misfortune with him. The recruiting thus far tend to give credence to this feeling.

Please explain lucky.
Do you honestly think that the recruits came here simply by luck? If you mean lucky in the sense that there are legacy players this year that you feel were coming here anyway, I'll give you that. On the other hand, I really doubt the verbals we have now would be in place if Dooley still had the job; but that's because he was unlucky.

 

[Orange_Crush]

That explains why Bama found success so quickly. They hired a leprechaun.

 

[Vol Main]

This pretty much hits it on the head. I wasn't a Grudenite, but the rest of your statement pretty much sums it up for me. Until proven otherwise, i'll be excited for what has and is being done and hope that it continues. I've been a fan for a very long time. Have been through good and bad times. I like where it looks like we are going and am proud to call Butch Jones our coach. It is up to him to keep me feeling that way.

I never caught the Gruden fever, because I just didn't see it happening. At one time I did mentioned Jones' name as a possible hire, thinking that he was a good coach that would find Tennessee attractive. So I hope I don't have to eat crow. Your post sums up my thinking pretty well.

 

[PKT_VOL]

That "everyone" perspective is one reason it makes it hard to have a legit conversation. imo

It was clearly hyperbole. Way to intentionally take it out of context then criticize it in a literal sense.

 

[PKT_VOL]

He is also the only head coach in the last two decades to lose to Kentucky. Any poster on this board could bring in top-25 classes with the facilities we have, but it takes a special kind of idiot to take a young team and somehow get worse and worse as they mature.

Hilarious. '06, '07 (minus Berry), '08, '09.

 

[PKT_VOL]

Please explain lucky.
Do you honestly think that the recruits came here simply by luck? If you mean lucky in the sense that there are legacy players this year that you feel were coming here anyway, I'll give you that. On the other hand, I really doubt the verbals we have now would be in place if Dooley still had the job; but that's because he was unlucky.

I think you answered your own post.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I have no idea how CBJ will do. I hope he does well. He can thank Dooley (although most will never admit it here) for improving the program dramatically from what it was when he took over.

The recruiting thus far has been pretty lucky. Hopefully, he does well other highly rated recruits who are not legacies.

The one thing I think CBJ will have a leg up on is luck. He has been lucky so far. Dooley was about the unluckiest guy I have ever seen. That second season was just brutal. For whatever reason I cannot explain, I think balls are going to start bouncing our way, injuries will be on the other sideline, and whistles will start to go our way more often. I tend to think most people believe Dooley's leaving has also taken the black cloud of misfortune with him. The recruiting thus far tend to give credence to this feeling.

I think you answered your own post.

I don't think he did, meaning that you're putting a lot more on luck than that.

 

[PKT_VOL]

I don't think he did, meaning that you're putting a lot more on luck than that.

That quote doesn't even apply yet. We are only in spring practice. It was only a gut feeling at that.

 

[UGADawg4Life]

Unfortunately for you, Butch is no Dooley.

That was not meant as a slam. I thought Dooley should have been given more time given the circumstances under which he took the job. He'll be back as HC of a program one day and will do well.

As far as your comment, Butch may or may not be Dooley. But we might want to let him coach a few games in the SEC before making statements about his coaching prowess, don'cha think. May be great. May be a total flop. May be both, like Gene Chizik. No one knows until they tee it up.

 

[utvolpj]

That was not meant as a slam. I thought Dooley should have been given more time given the circumstances under which he took the job. He'll be back as HC of a program one day and will do well.

 

[BaldBiker]

No homo? (Sorry Bald, had to)

You my friend are an evil person. :naughty:

 

[KBVol]

I have no idea how CBJ will do. I hope he does well. He can thank Dooley (although most will never admit it here) for improving the program dramatically from what it was when he took over.

The recruiting thus far has been pretty lucky. Hopefully, he does well other highly rated recruits who are not legacies.

The one thing I think CBJ will have a leg up on is luck. He has been lucky so far. Dooley was about the unluckiest guy I have ever seen. That second season was just brutal. For whatever reason I cannot explain, I think balls are going to start bouncing our way, injuries will be on the other sideline, and whistles will start to go our way more often. I tend to think most people believe Dooley's leaving has also taken the black cloud of misfortune with him. The recruiting thus far tend to give credence to this feeling.

Alright PKT, allow me to boil down your general positions to the "low gravy"....

1 couldn't stand Fulmer, he sucked. lucky that coordinators did great job in spite of him and that SEC was awful, left program in shambles

2 love you some Dooley, got a raw deal, bad luck, did a great job moving the program forward

3 wait n see with Butch, so far so good for the most part, got some luck (with legacy recruits) which Dooley never did.

Does that about do it? That's how I fairly read your posts

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

I think you answered your own post.

So, let me get this straight.
You feel that the legacy players would have come here even if poor old unlucky Dooley kept his job despite the fact he alienated these kids fathers? You think Hurd would have given a verbal despite Dooley's halfass recruiting efforts? I think that you are confusing bad luck with incompetence.