Official Jon Gruden Thread XLIII

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Will people quit calling out the "insiders", please. They were given information and I have no doubt in my mind that they wanted gruden just as bad as any of us. None of these guys and girls that have been around a while had bad intentions of misleading any of us. I believe they were told things.
However, when Currie absolutely disappeared off the map a couple of nights ago, that was all Haslam. It's our turn to take back our university. I guarantee if you get rid of that cancer the university will benefit ten fold. Our fans spend way more money every year than the Haslams donate and I guarantee that.
As a fan, yesterday was hard. Today is a new day and I will do everything in my power to remove Currie,Davenport, and the Haslams from this university. They are no longer welcome! Let's go vol fans. Lets stand up for a change!

Very well said!

I really do believe there was a faction at work within led by Ergen. They were making a power play to remove the Haslams from the equation and bring in a coach of the needed caliber. That’s where Gruden came into play. But, I truly feel blindsided by Currie AND Haslam’s antics today. For once, I really thought the good guys were going to win.
 
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Volnation, I posted earlier today for the first time in years. Been a longtime lurker though and consider this one of the best sources to get my UT fix on. I don't bring a ton of inside information other than a couple of former UT football buddies that occasionally share info. With this said, please hear me out. Before throwing Chucky and some of these Volnation "insiders" under the bus, consider all the information that has been shared on here over the past couple of weeks. Although I can't say that I know any of these insiders, much of their info does add up with much of the stuff that I heard as well.

No doubt about it today was a **** show, and not a good day for our University and our storied football program. Like many of you all, I have been angry texting family and friends trying to wrap my head around this crap today. But after a whisky drink or two tonight and reflecting on all that has happened, I do believe this: Power was restored to our University today and that is pretty cool. The **** show that most Vol fans and college football fans saw play out today goes back to last fall (2016) and earlier this year when we were searching for a new AD. Blackburn was the leading AD candidate most UT alumni, including, several big boosters wanted, yet somehow we ended up with Currie compliments of an intervention by Jimmy Haslam. At best, the Currie AD selection was a compromise between Haslam and the Charles Ergen Camp (like 70/30 type compromise).

The Gruden thing (believe it or not negagrudes) was a very real possibility and at a minimum an MOU was agreed upon. Charles Ergen and several other prominent boosters appear to have been trying to make this happen long before Butch was canned. I believe the Ergen Camp felt that Currie was on board with this plan, and I believe Gruden was very much interested in being our next HC as well. Obviously something happened, and Currie stuck with Haslam and his preference. Likely, this was tied to Currie's loyalty to the man that got him into this AD role as much as anything. It has been reported that Currie is also friends with Schiano. But who knows. So the question I have is this: I know Jimmy Haslam is a big fan of Schiano, but what was/is his beef with Gruden? Why not Gruden? It's been pretty well documented that Haslam did not want UT to the hire him in 2012. Is it because Haslam feared that Jon Gruden would be a man not be easily controlled? Did Gruden say no to his Browns once upon a time? This is a serious question and would love to hear if folks have any insight into this.

Regardless of the answers to my above questions, today was (I believe) a successfull first step in the process of overthrowing the old regime of power (Haslams). It was also more than about Gruden, but also a difference in coaching philosophy - bringing in "UT blood" (Including former UT alumni coaching staff). This is where all the leaks occurred a couple of weeks ago - Former UT players (current coaches like Tee Martin) who were contacted by Gruden about joining his potential staff. Problem was that Currie ultimately sided with Jimmy Haslam. And I believe this was likely part of his plan all along. Play along with the Ergen Camp (and Volnation). Passify them while finding "problems" in the final contract that could ultimately not be ironed out between both sides. Over the past few days, this plan was esecuted by Currie and he goes with "Plan B". He notifies the Ergen Camp of his decision. The Ergen Camp says "hell no" and they execute their back up plan in the event Currie and Haslam go rogue.

So Volnation, what happened today wasn't about Schiano's role in the Sandusky case as much as it was an absolute revolt from Ergen, 6-8 other superboosters, and the entire Volnation family. I really believe that, at a minimum, a couple of the "insiders" that we have seen in the Gruden threads are absolutely part of this Ergen group and their agenda (and also became volnation's agenda). Think about it, there were over 73 state legislators and 3 different UT sports, websites, social media, etc fighting back against this thing within an hour of the Schiano news breaking. Not a coincidence. The negative publicity campaign used to combat this hire won today. Power restored. Now granted, there is no way this group wanted the **** show that insurred today, but no way were they going to let the Haslams screw up another hire either.

Currie is done. Look for Fulmer to step as Interrum AD or some kind of special role for making our next coaching hire. Blackburn will be pushed as our next AD. Blackburn is close to Gruden. I'm not saying we will get Gruden now, but look for whomever the new coach to either be a UT alum or someone committed to hiring a **** ton of assistants that are of UT blood. It is apparent that Ergen and his group don't want outsiders. They obviously think that this is the whole reason we are in this mess to begin with (I.e Kiffin, Dooley, Jones).

Call me a crazy conspiracy theorist folks, but I do believe we are seeing a civil war play out before our eyes right now. So I ask all of my fellow UT brothers and sisters, whether you thought Gruden was/is coming or not, let's not fight amongst each other. No more casting stones. At the end of the day, we all want the same thing and that is to Be relevant again. Let this process play out before we all jump off the ledge! GBO!

👏👏👏 Kudos to you for this post. I actually about skipped over because of the length. Glad I did not. I think what is described is exactly what is playing out.

However, I do think there are a few select HC candidates that are not of Vol-blood but could immediately step in and make Tennessee relevant again, AND be passionate about doing it.
 
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Well, after sleeping on it this is where I'm at on the situation.

1. I do not believe the trusted insiders intentionally mislead us.

2. I believe the reported power struggle within the program is very real.

3. I believe that one side of the struggle was mislead into thinking a home run hire would be made in order to get the donations for renovations from them.

4. I believe it was these donors that reached out to Gruden and felt there was interest and that's where the insider's information came from.

5. I'm not sure just how interested Gruden really was about taking the job.

6. I am positive that the AD is not wholly committed to winning at an elite level.

7. At this point I cannot see why any elite coach or player would want to be any part of this mess.

8. There will be no quick fix.

9. I absolutely cringe at the thought of what today will bring in this embarrassing saga.

10. In summary, I'm going to ride this out on the same stipulations as before. We cannot survive this with another Google search coach despite the situation dictating that's probably all we will be able to get. For me, the Gruden ship has sailed. If we go with anyone other than a Miles (cringe) or Kiffin (yes please), I'm probably turning in my Vol card.


Flame away.
 
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Well, after sleeping on it this is where I'm at on the situation.

1. I do not believe the trusted insiders intentionally mislead us.

2. I believe the reported power struggle within the program is very real.

3. I believe that one side of the struggle was mislead into thinking a home run hire would be made in order to get the donations for renovations from them.

4. I believe it was these donors that reached out to Gruden and felt there was interest and that's where the insider's information came from.

5. I'm not sure just how interested Gruden really was about taking the job.

6. I am positive that the AD is not wholly committed to winning at an elite level.

7. At this point I cannot see why any elite coach or player would want to be any part of this mess.

8. There will be no quick fix.

9. I absolutely cringe at the thought of what today will bring in this embarrassing saga.

10. In summary, I'm going to ride this out on the same stipulations as before. We cannot survive this with another Google search coach despite the situation dictating that's probably all we will be able to get. For me, the Gruden ship has sailed. If we go with anyone other than a Miles (cringe) or Kiffin (yes please), I'm probably turning in my Vol card.


Flame away.

No one is going to flame you. We've all been through the wringer. Anger is completely justified.
 
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F the national media. Whomever we hire, whatever the fallout, UT as an institution should never allow any of these people on campus. Don't care if Gameday comes, Herby shouldn't be allowed on campus. F Dan Wetzel, and so so many others. The list is too long.
 
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Well, after sleeping on it this is where I'm at on the situation.

1. I do not believe the trusted insiders intentionally mislead us.

2. I believe the reported power struggle within the program is very real.

3. I believe that one side of the struggle was mislead into thinking a home run hire would be made in order to get the donations for renovations from them.

4. I believe it was these donors that reached out to Gruden and felt there was interest and that's where the insider's information came from.

5. I'm not sure just how interested Gruden really was about taking the job.

6. I am positive that the AD is not wholly committed to winning at an elite level.

7. At this point I cannot see why any elite coach or player would want to be any part of this mess.

8. There will be no quick fix.

9. I absolutely cringe at the thought of what today will bring in this embarrassing saga.

10. In summary, I'm going to ride this out on the same stipulations as before. We cannot survive this with another Google search coach despite the situation dictating that's probably all we will be able to get. For me, the Gruden ship has sailed. If we go with anyone other than a Miles (cringe) or Kiffin (yes please), I'm probably turning in my Vol card.


Flame away.

No flame necessary.

I personally wouldn't have any ill will toward anyone that turns their back on this program at this point.
 
There is a lot of love for UT in this thread and all of us want the best for our university.

Haslam is the man behind the curtain, we saw this 100% yesterday.

We need to get Clay Travis and other new media beating this narrative... It's got to escape from the message boards/Internet and make it into the minds of the general fan. Talk to everyone you know about Haslam, boycott pilot, we have a very very very small window in time that we might be able to make a difference.
 
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Great post Doyle. No flaming needed, level headed and honest. Hope the Gruden ship hasn't sailed though, although appears to be the case. We are living in bizaro world.
 
Very well said!

I really do believe there was a faction at work within led by Ergen. They were making a power play to remove the Haslams from the equation and bring in a coach of the needed caliber. That’s where Gruden came into play. But, I truly feel blindsided by Currie AND Haslam’s antics today. For once, I really thought the good guys were going to win.
Oh its not over just yet W@M. I truly believe that there is a change coming. The fans have finally had enough and finally standing tall
 
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Haslam, Currie, and Davenport need to be driven out of town. Whether it takes painting the rock or showing up at their residences with pitchforks and torches, they need to get out now. There's zero chance they didn't know Schiano reportedly witnessed child rape. You can't have something like that hanging around your program.
 
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I am on the Board of Trustees at a local college and if I am not mistaken, they made the Davenport hire and had to bless the Currie hire. Have not looked into who is on our BOTs but, it might be time for a house cleaning as doo doo always rolls down from the top.

Well said, sir!
BTW, love me some Ocean Isle. My family has vacationed there many times.
 
I emailed Currie last night and simply said you made your side very clear to us fans and so it's up to you now. Either leave on your own free will or Volnation will raise together and have you fired. I said you united us yesterday and we won't stop until everyone involved is gone. So please resign today!
 
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Well, after sleeping on it this is where I'm at on the situation.

1. I do not believe the trusted insiders intentionally mislead us.

2. I believe the reported power struggle within the program is very real.

3. I believe that one side of the struggle was mislead into thinking a home run hire would be made in order to get the donations for renovations from them.

4. I believe it was these donors that reached out to Gruden and felt there was interest and that's where the insider's information came from.

5. I'm not sure just how interested Gruden really was about taking the job.

6. I am positive that the AD is not wholly committed to winning at an elite level.

7. At this point I cannot see why any elite coach or player would want to be any part of this mess.

8. There will be no quick fix.

9. I absolutely cringe at the thought of what today will bring in this embarrassing saga.

10. In summary, I'm going to ride this out on the same stipulations as before. We cannot survive this with another Google search coach despite the situation dictating that's probably all we will be able to get. For me, the Gruden ship has sailed. If we go with anyone other than a Miles (cringe) or Kiffin (yes please), I'm probably turning in my Vol card.


Flame away.

As I was thinking about all this last night, I thought about Les Miles and Lane Kiffin a lot. And while I think both are options, as coaches, I left myself wondering if UT Football needs a coach, or if UT Football needs a DAD.
 
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This is just a thought. There are no confirmed reports (that I've been able to find) from either our AD or OSU's of SCHIANO being a done deal and wether any MOU was signed. It seemed to all start from Dan Walken a sports writer for USA Today. !


This is a good example of the blissful ignorance surrounding our program
 
Don't know which post it was, but someone asked what Haslam's beef with Gruden is about. It's really simple. Gruden demands complete control over the program, and as evidenced by yesterday's events, Haslam has a death grip on things over there. He's choked the life out of our football program.
 
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There was a post by beaver on twitter that's no longer there, I wonder if anyone screen capped it; in regards to the Haslams?

I am fairly certain we just seen a civil war happen in front of our eyes.


edit: it happened yesterday evening right while all of this was going down.
 
There was a post by beaver on twitter that's no longer there, I wonder if anyone screen capped it; in regards to the Haslams?

I am fairly certain we just seen a civil war happen in front of our eyes.

I saw it too....Pretty sure the war has been declared.
 
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