Official Thread of the St. Louis Cardinals

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Shoot, if the Reds luck up again and win 116, where does that put the Cardinals? 120? 125?
 
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#3,080
#3,080
In all seriousness, if Westbrook and Lohse can collectively win 25 games and collectively throw 350-375 innings I think this team can be in contention for the playoffs.
 
#3,086
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Now Nick Punto's in the fold. Man oh man.

(The season is still 2+ months away, and I'm already tired of hearing how Punto and Theriot are La Russa "guys," are "gritty," and "play the game the right way.")
 
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tidwell said:
Now Nick Punto's in the fold. Man oh man.

(The season is still 2+ months away, and I'm already tired of hearing how Punto and Theriot are La Russa "guys," are "gritty," and "play the game the right way.")
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The one thing you can't measure in baseball is a guys heart.
 
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#3,088
tidwell said:
...but yes, if that somehow happened, I'd be shocked if they missed the playoffs.

But, c'mon.
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I'm actually not as anti-Westbrook as many others. I think he's good enough to help and a solid #4 guy. Barring an injury I think it's at least reasonable to expect 190-200 innings and 11-13 wins out of him. I'll take that out of my #4 guy every day of the week and twice on Sundays. But as I rethink that let me lower that win total to 21-23.

I'm still not sold on what this offense can do and I think it would help this entire team tremendously if they get Pujols signed in the next three weeks. This team doesn't need that hanging around its next all season.
 
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tigervol9802 said:
I'm actually not as anti-Westbrook as many others. I think he's good enough to help and a solid #4 guy. Barring an injury I think it's at least reasonable to expect 190-200 innings and 11-13 wins out of him. I'll take that out of my #4 guy every day of the week and twice on Sundays. But as I rethink that let me lower that win total to 21-23.

I'm still not sold on what this offense can do and I think it would help this entire team tremendously if they get Pujols signed in the next three weeks. This team doesn't need that hanging around its next all season.
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11-13 wins out of Westbrook and 10 wins out of Lohse is still unbelievably optimistic.
 
#3,090
#3,090
I could see Westbrook ending up with 10 or so wins. Zero confidence in Lohse to do anything but continue to steal money.
 
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tidwell said:
I could see Westbrook ending up with 10 or so wins. Zero confidence in Lohse to do anything but continue to steal money.
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Exactly. I expect Westbrook will get to 9-10 wins and be slightly below .500 winning percentage wise, which isn't bad for a #4 guy. 11-13 wins would be his highest total since he 28 back in 2006. Expecting Lohse to get anywhere near that level is foolish IMO.
 
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vols kick balls said:
Exactly. I expect Westbrook will get to 9-10 wins and be slightly below .500 winning percentage wise, which isn't bad for a #4 guy. 11-13 wins would be his highest total since he 28 back in 2006. Expecting Lohse to get anywhere near that level is foolish IMO.
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I think Westbrook can win 11-13. Don't discount Duncan's ability to work with a sinkerball pitcher. His ERA, WHIP, and K/BB ratio all improved dramatically when he came to St. Louis last season.

I'll concede Lohse. I'm still expecting the 2008 version of him to roll out for some reason even when I know better. Sometimes I just have to revisit the stats to pull myself back down to reality. Sorry for the stupidity concerning him. I know better. :banghead2:
 
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RockyTop411 said:
Hmm... Will the Cards sign Albert?
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I say no. But it will be interesting because the Sox and Yankees already have long term 1B and no team is going to pay him 10/300. He's going to have to come down from his demands big time. No one is going to pay a 39-42 year old Pujols 30 mil a year.

Other big(ger) spenders 1B:
Angles-Morales
Cubs-???
Phillies-Howard
Mets-Davis(?)

This is going to be a very interesting story for the next year.
 
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#1ArencibiaFan said:
I say no. But it will be interesting because the Sox and Yankees already have long term 1B and no team is going to pay him 10/300. He's going to have to come down from his demands big time. No one is going to pay a 39-42 year old Pujols 30 mil a year.

Other big(ger) spenders 1B:
Angles-Morales
Cubs-???
Phillies-Howard
Mets-Davis(?)

This is going to be a very interesting story for the next year.
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There's already enough talk of Pujols to the Cubs that it terrifies me.

I don't know if Cardinals management thinks he can go to the free agent market and find out he can get what he wants because the spenders don't need a first baseman, but I really don't want to have to find out.
 
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