Ok let's say we concede the fact that

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BigOrangeTrain said:
Yes sorry there were. I cannot recall right now but I saw plenty of 5-7 predictions. Just because you say no doesn't change what I read.
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Link??? No Link???

hmmmmmmmm......

There was a post in another thread which quoted source after source after source (reputable sources), maybe I can find it.....
 
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Sandvol said:
We take Georgia to overtime, beat South Carolina and then get dumped for three straight games? We can't even stay within 3 touch downs of any of those teams? We get NCAA return record against us. Doesn't make sense unless something is not clicking between the team and coaching staff.
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Awesome another guy that doesn't understand football matchups
 
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fade route said:
Yes, we are all sunshine pumpers for allowing a guy to coach for at least a year with mostly someone else's recruits, one of the toughest schedules in college football, forced to play a true freshman QB against 3 top 10 teams in a row, while the whole team is learning a new system on both sides of the ball. Yet somehow all these facts are lost on you in the midst of your "demanding excellence and accountability". Please tell me you don't have kids.....I can't imagine what it's like living up to your standards.
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Oh goody, another re-hashing of the sunshine pumper excuse list. Like we haven't seen that ad-nauseum on this board. I repeat, there is no excuse, reason , or whatever you want to call it, acceptable for not showing at least some minimal improvement competitively over the Doofus regime.
 
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patrick said:
But yet he publishes articles which say he predicts the Vols to go bowling. And he has been on other radio shows and ESPN saying the Vols would likely go to Music City Bowl preseason.

hmmmmmmmmmm.
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I've never changed my mind with further thought.
The point remains Pat, you've been pissed that Gruden wasn't hired. You've been on CBJ case since before he walked in the door.
So PS put 6-6 in writing. At 4-6 we are exactly where we should be. 6-6 is likely, Yet you're convinced he's not the guy. I don't know if he's the guy or not. It may be awhile before anyone does know. It's clear he will be here at least 3 years so you may want to pace yourself.
 
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87Vol said:
Oh goody, another re-hashing of the sunshine pumper excuse list. Like we haven't seen that ad-nauseum on this board. I repeat, there is no excuse, reason , or whatever you want to call it, acceptable for not showing at least some minimal improvement competitively over the Doofus regime.
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Beat a top 10 team and vastly improved recuiting.
 
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orangeslice13 said:
I've never changed my mind with further thought.
The point remains Pat, you've been pissed that Gruden wasn't hired. You've been on CBJ case since before he walked in the door.
So PS put 6-6 in writing. At 4-6 we are exactly where we should be. 6-6 is likely, Yet you're convinced he's not the guy. I don't know if he's the guy or not. It may be awhile before anyone does know. It's clear he will be here at least 3 years so you may want to pace yourself.
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Please find where I said he wasnt the guy?????


And when have I said he should be fired??? NEVER. I have consistently said that he and staff are doing well recruiting.

I freely admit that i have criticized certain areas of the product we are seeing on the field. I know good and well CBJ will have three years barring scandal or 0 and 12.
 
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patrick said:
Please find where I said he wasnt the guy?????


And when have I said he should be fired??? NEVER. I have consistently said that he and staff are doing well recruiting.

I freely admit that i have criticized certain areas of the product we are seeing on the field. I know good and well CBJ will have three years barring scandal or 0 and 12.
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Give me a few mins
Its in the coaching search faimly thread.
 
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Chilmonty said:
I don't think we have regressed as much as our late season opponents have improved dramatically!

What most considered possible wins, Mizzou and AU are currently #8 and #6! WTH????



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Exactly coming into the season no one would have guessed that Mizzou and AU would both be top 10 teams right now. Heck Mizzou will most likley win the East and AU could possibly win the West.

On the flip side who would have guessed Florida missing a Bowl this year but barring a FSU upset thats going to happen.

Lots of people on this board don't seem to have any long term memory whatsoever
 
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patrick said:
Link??? No Link???

hmmmmmmmm......

There was a post in another thread which quoted source after source after source (reputable sources), maybe I can find it.....
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maybe this is what you're looking for (I wrote it in response to some guy claiming no one picked us to finish better than 5-7 at the beginning of the year, which is a lie):


oregonvol said:
I keep seeing this in recent days and I find it rather interesting. No one ever backs up these claims with any citations, so I had a look around.

Here is a table by Athlon Sports:

College Football 2013 Win Total Projections | AthlonSports.com

It shows the total wins people were projecting for each team at the outset of the season, for betting purposes. It looks like most have Tennessee at 6 wins. But, yet, I keep seeing folks on here claim that "not a single media source had us in the mix for a bowl." Well, since 6 wins would put us into a bowl, I have to wonder where you people have gotten your information? It couldn't be that you are just making it up to try to excuse the results, could it?

Here is another source. SBNation has a tabulation of where most experts expected each team to finish in their conference. On average, it looks like we were picked to finish 4-5th in the East. Now, this doesn't specifically project w/l record, but given that historically, the 4th place team in the SEC East almost always has a winning record (and quite often, the 5th place team does as well), I think it stands to reason that some of these experts probably expected us to win 6 or more games too.

In terms of just bowl projections themselves...Athlon had us in the Liberty Bowl here, Phil Steele had us in the Music City Bowl here, Chris Low on espn also had us in the Music City Bowl here


I saw in another thread, the OP claiming that no one in their right mind would have predicted 6 wins for this team heading into the season. Really? Are we so desperate for an excuse that we just have to pretend that the past doesn't exist, that it's like some fairy land we get to just make up, based on whatever we imagine to have happened?
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Also, of interest, at the beginning of the year, you could bet the UT-Auburn game and Vegas had us as an 8 point favorite IIRC.
 
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I really haven't been much of a Cutcliffe fan down through the years and didn't get all the adulation but the last couple of years I've caught a couple Duke games and what stands out is his guys really play hard. They appear disciplined and well-coached. Not great athleticism but the good coaching is evident.

Posted this in the wrong thread getting tired.
 
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Sandvol said:
I really haven't been much of a Cutcliffe fan down through the years and didn't get all the adulation but the last couple of years I've caught a couple Duke games and what stands out is his guys really play hard. They appear disciplined and well-coached. Not great athleticism but the good coaching is evident.

Posted this in the wrong thread getting tired.
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Cutcliffe made Fulmer.Notice after both times he left, we started going downhill.
 
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87Vol said:
Oh goody, another re-hashing of the sunshine pumper excuse list. Like we haven't seen that ad-nauseum on this board. I repeat, there is no excuse, reason , or whatever you want to call it, acceptable for not showing at least some minimal improvement competitively over the Doofus regime.
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Oh goody, someone forgot Butch beat a top 25 team in his first year, something Dools couldn't do in 3.
 
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When you have your best players playing 60-80 snaps a game every week on top of all of the practice that has gone into the season, their bodies will begin to regress as will thier play. It's not rocket science.
 
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87Vol said:
Oh goody, another re-hashing of the sunshine pumper excuse list. Like we haven't seen that ad-nauseum on this board. I repeat, there is no excuse, reason , or whatever you want to call it, acceptable for not showing at least some minimal improvement competitively over the Doofus regime.
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Since your definition of "improvement" does not take into account the quality of opposition from game to game, will you consider winning out improvement? Since quality of opponent is not a consideration, will you consider a win verses UK improvement and congratulate the coaching staff for finishing with an improved team?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Since your definition of "improvement" does not take into account the quality of opposition from game to game, will you consider winning out improvement? Since quality of opponent is not a consideration, will you consider a win verses UK improvement and congratulate the coaching staff for finishing with an improved team?
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If we win out against Vandy and KY, then I will consider us back on track with adequate improvement. It still doesn't completely wipe out our total embarassing lack of competitiveness in the previous 3 games, but at least we will be somewhat back on track. If we then proceed to win a bowl game over a decent team to finish 7-6, then I will consider that adequate reasonable improvement over Doofus. Given the way we have been playing, all of those are huge IFs, however.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Since your definition of "improvement" does not take into account the quality of opposition from game to game, will you consider winning out improvement? Since quality of opponent is not a consideration, will you consider a win verses UK improvement and congratulate the coaching staff for finishing with an improved team?
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If we win out against Vandy and KY, then I will consider us back on track with adequate improvement. It still doesn't completely wipe out our total embarassing lack of competitiveness in the previous 3 games, but at least we will be somewhat back on track. If we then proceed to win a bowl game over a decent team to finish 7-6, then I will consider that adequate reasonable improvement over Doofus. Given the way we have been playing, all of those are huge IFs, however.
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What's with the caveat? If I recall, you didn't really want to talk about the quality of opponent in the games when we were embarrassed over the last 3 game stretch. You didn't really want to discuss the fact that we won against less quality opponents, but got manhandled by three top-10 programs that have beaten up just about everyone they've played.

You haven't entertained the thought that "maybe', just 'maybe' the team hasn't regressed, but the quality of opponent has gone up.

But you'll use quality of opponent when it favors your argument.

By your standards, ignoring quality of opponent, if we beat UK and... say... LA Tech in a bowl game, then we have shown vast improvement from the previous 3-4 games to end the year on a high note.

:hi:
 
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jeffmcflurry27 said:
When you have your best players playing 60-80 snaps a game every week on top of all of the practice that has gone into the season, their bodies will begin to regress as will thier play. It's not rocket science.
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THIS, THIS, THIS!!!

When you consider the experience level of most of the players getting the snaps, it's actually pretty impressive how well they have played, and it's impressive how well the team has held together.

I agree that the players have looked dejected at times over the last few games, but that's part of the maturity process. It's hard to keep your edge when you are getting blown out, and I don't think it is unreasonable that they got blown out. They were playing top 10 BCS teams.

I also think that last year was not fully reflective of how bad this team was. If not for Bray and his pair of NFL receivers willing wins on their backs, last year's team could have easily been 2-9 or 3-8. Have you noticed those guys are gone? If they pull off the miracle of winning out, a six win team with this 2013 schedule and roster is FAR more impressive than simply +1 over the five-win 2012 schedule and roster. If you are unwilling to concede this and are a "just win" kind of guy, then STHU about the blowout losses. If a win is a win, then a loss is a loss.

The program was run down, beat up and maybe as close to rock bottom as UT could be when CBJ walked in the door. Short of starting a program from scratch, I don't know of a tougher job a coach could have.

I have no idea how he'll work out. He may fail, and if he does, all of the Volnation CBJ detractors will have their day of "I told you so" and there'll be much rejoicing on their part. But, I do believe it is absolutely ridiculous to attempt to assess much of anything about the future of the program by looking at the on-field results from this season.

All I know is that I was embarrassed by the antics and attitudes shown by the program over the past few years before CBJ was hired. In his short tenure here, CBJ has done an awful lot to help heal that. Because of that, I choose to give him the benefit of the doubt for this year at least. As many have said, despite the ups and downs, the season is pretty much working out "best case" so far.

This is why I love MLB baseball so much. They play just about every day. So, you only have 24 hours to armchair manage the loss and then another game comes along. Football is brutal. It's three hours of entertainment and then seven days of hair pulling and falling skies.
 
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oregonvol said:
maybe this is what you're looking for (I wrote it in response to some guy claiming no one picked us to finish better than 5-7 at the beginning of the year, which is a lie):




Also, of interest, at the beginning of the year, you could bet the UT-Auburn game and Vegas had us as an 8 point favorite IIRC.
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Thanks Oregonvol
 
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jasonvol18 said:
I hate Saban with a passion. They had the same record as the year before, Saban just won his bowl. No way with the lack of depth, talent and speed that he could get more than 7have wins.
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Wait. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either ULM was a game that Bama should have won to make them a 7 or 8 win team... OR it is the excuse for why it is "unreasonable" to expect UT's staff to improve the program in their first season. You can't have it both ways.

The OL part may be true but hee would also be running a much more traditional offense.
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That.... is a coaching choice.
The OLine has struggled but offensive line guys are also recruited to play in a certain offense.
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You follow recruiting and are smarter than that. The guys he is now recruiting for the OL are VERY similar players and maybe a tad slower. IMHO, the problem with this OL is there's not a "killer" amongst them. They're too nice. Mizzou's OL really isn't that talented... but they are nasty mean on the field.

This really is a totally different offense compared to any others that have been here....
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But if these OL's really aren't suited to play in this offense (I don't believe that but you're buying it) then why play them? I have advocated for a couple of weeks now that either Bullard or Stone needs to sit and let Crowder take over at center. He will return... and he has a nasty streak in him.

But back to Saban he had much better talent even early at LSU and still had 2 out of his 5 yrs there he won 8 games twice and won ANC of course. Also lost to UAB there. Yes he did beat us that yr and they had players suspended.
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Saban inherited a better situation at LSU but it was more competition than roster... though the roster wasn't bad by comparison. The West was very weak. Bama was the default winner (6 times, SEC champ 2). The West only won two SEC Championships out of 9 before Saban arrived at LSU. Ole Miss and Arkansas were terrible. MSU was spotty. Auburn was "OK". LSU had been nobody before Saban got there.
 
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