Other great coaches that started similar to CBJ

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"...Michigan State was not Saban's first head coaching job -- he spent one year at Toledo, leading the Rockets to a 9-2 record in 1990 -- but it was with the Spartans that Saban proved his worth at the major college level. He arrived in 1995 to find a program in shambles, as State had not enjoyed a winning season since 1990. He didn't exactly win big in East Lansing, going 34-24-1 in five seasons, but did coach the Spartans to a 9-2 mark in 1999. He left after the regular season to take the head coaching job at LSU. The Spartans would go on to beat Florida in the Citrus Bowl, finishing 10-2 and ranked in the Top 10..."

Even The Great Saban had to find his groove...Butch can recruit "so far" better than what doolander did, lets look forward to fresh talent and pray for a 5-7 season, win at KY, we lost lets move on
 
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tm3 said:
and to add to the mix, Pat Dye is the only SEC coach in history to have a losing first season followed by an SECC within his first 5 years.
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Mike Dubose did it as well. His 1st year at Bama (1997) they had a losing record and won the SEC in 1999.
 
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whocaresgobobcats said:
you realize about 20 of these exact same threads were posted about Dooley, right?
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I'll say it again, look at the track records. Not a fair comparison because Dooley got jobs based on his name. He had a losing record in 3 years at LA Tech. CBJ won at CMU and Cincinnati. Look at the track records people.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Saban, prior to Bama, won a NC after rebuilding LSU

You can't compare the two
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Saban also had the capability of winning a national championship by having the right team in the right conference. Saban has been around a lot longer than Butch has. Even if CMU or Cincy went undefeated for consecutive years, neither a MAC nor a Big East team would be in the national championship.

In other words, this is Butch's first appearance in the SEC. Prior to Bama, Saban already had his run in the SEC. That makes it a little less 'even,' in the scope of attainable achievements, but you can still compare their records.
 
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volfanjustin said:
Nope same thing. A certain number of fans will always support the coach until they just can't fight the truth any longer. A good HC can get his team to play above their level and certainly beat Vandy.
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Dear Lord dude, it's year 1. Not everything is an overnight fix like Auburn and Gus Malzahn. Take a deep breath, CBJ has proven he can win, unlike Dooley ever did. Mike Hamilton hired a loser son of a legendary SEC coach. The sky is not falling.
 
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Ok, let's give Butch The benefit of being a victim of being a victim of his circumstances in his first year. Now that we are past that, can we get a list of coaches who have won conference and/or national titles and their records for their second year? Then, we can be ready to properly judge Butch on the 2014 season. Aaannnnd, go.
 
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volfanjustin said:
Yes, same people who are defending him now were saying the same exact things about Dooley for about 2.5 seasons. Some will blindly follow no matter who the coach is.
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False. At least from me.

I wasn't even a member of VN back then! And what I did say of Dooley was coming from LaTech to UT was going to be extremely difficult. I thought he was a decent offensive mind (as shown when we put up huge points several games last season) but he couldn't find a way to get our defense to stop a toddler.
 
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volfanjustin said:
Nope same thing. A certain number of fans will always support the coach until they just can't fight the truth any longer. A good HC can get his team to play above their level and certainly beat Vandy.
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You would like this to be a reality so you can say that you are right!


But you know that it could be otherwise, you know that the sample size is too small, you know that many factor can change the outcome, you know... that this coaching staff could achieve great things next year, or tank even worse than this year. We have to wait until at least the middle of the next season, then we will have a solid foundation for our opinion. :hi:
 
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Here's a thought...

To those complaining about losing to Vandy and complaining that we should never lose to them and that if CBJ can't beat Vandy, his seat should start getting hot consider the fact that Vanderbilt beat teams that we didn't... Georgia and Florida... and yet we expect to beat them, why?

Obviously I still hoped we would have won. But statistically, why should we have?
 
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I can't wait until year 3 when this year's recruiting class are Sophomores. That's when things will start to turn, I believe it.
 
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VolFanInDE said:
I have never posted on here before and probably won't again but I would like to say a few things.

1. I traveled 10 hours on Friday to watch my beloved Vols play Saturday night and not once did I question a coaching decision or the players effort simply because I am a fan and a supporter of the whole football team regardless of the outcome. I will never not support them because they are my team regardless of outcome.

2. Coach Jones will get the job done. How do I know this? Because the current players play hard for him and respect him, unlike the previous two coaches that were here. Examples J. James, D. Hood, and M. Palardy comments. I also know this because if the recruits didn't believe this they wouldn't commit to the Vols. Why is this different? Because there are numerous 2014 recruits that are legacies here and their fathers/relatives would not let their sons come be part of failure just because they attended here and were successful. Obviously they see something in Coach Jones that we do not get to see.

3. Give the coaches a break. Maybe they did get outcoached Saturday night, maybe they didn't. They are human beings and do make mistakes. The people on these boards act like they are perfect and have all of the answers. No one is perfect and they will continue to make mistakes just like the players will. Give the staff some time to develop the "KIDS."

4. The only issues with our team is depth and speed. You have to remember that Dooley recruited players for a 3-4 defense that were meant to stop power teams such as UGA and UF. Power football is a thing of the past. We play spread teams with a ton of speed which we don't have. The speed differential out there is crazy. We have walk-ons on defense, Alabama's whole 2nd team defense could come here and start.

As a fan, I want to win just as mush as anyone. As a realist and a high school football coach myself, I understand what I am seeing every Saturday. Time will tell about this staff and football team. As for me, I will continue to be the biggest Vol fan in Delaware.
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I'D support you 100% in this post if we were talking about a peewee league coach. These guys get paid insane money to swing the bat 12-14 times a year and they're going to be judged by the results. Personally, I think the hire was not what we needed. UTK needed to bite the bullet and stroke a big check for a big name who may have been able to bring in the kind of staff that would immediately turn an elite rb and a few juco dbs. Hart failed us on that one so now we have to ride this out. Maybe it'll work out and maybe it won't. For now the season is done. Winning or losing against KY means nothing. The dumpster fire is still burning strong in Ktown and not all of us feel like cooking smores and singing kumbaya.
 
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I'll be the first to admit it: I will follow a coach blindly, especially if that coach has a proven track record like CBJ does, and especially if they are as hot on the recruiting trail as CBJ is.

But, ultimately, why, you ask? Because for the next few years, whether you like it or not, CBJ will be our coach. There isn't a damn thing you can do about it, so you might as well support him and the team, like a true Vol fan should.
 
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BigOrangeLoyalist said:
I'll be the first to admit it: I will follow a coach blindly, especially if that coach has a proven track record like CBJ does, and especially if they are as hot on the recruiting trail as CBJ is.

But, ultimately, why, you ask? Because for the next few years, whether you like it or not, CBJ will be our coach. There isn't a damn thing you can do about it, so you might as well support him and the team, like a true Vol fan should.
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that is what I am talking about !:salute:
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I'D support you 100% in this post if we were talking about a peewee league coach. These guys get paid insane money to swing the bat 12-14 times a year and they're going to be judged by the results. Personally, I think the hire was not what we needed. UTK needed to bite the bullet and stroke a big check for a big name who may have been able to bring in the kind of staff that would immediately turn an elite rb and a few juco dbs. Hart failed us on that one so now we have to ride this out. Maybe it'll work out and maybe it won't. For now the season is done. Winning or losing against KY means nothing. The dumpster fire is still burning strong in Ktown and not all of us feel like cooking smores and singing kumbaya.
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Really? They tried the homerun hires and guess what. THEY ALL SAID NO! The state our program is in currently, it isn't a top 5 job in the SEC right now. No one else wanted the burden of rebuilding this program with the pairing of its insane (passion, but insane) fan base with ridiculous expectation. Did we think this first year was going to go much differently when we looked at the schedule? Did we really expect 7 or 8 W's with this team?
 
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BrianJ98 said:
I'll say it again, look at the track records. Not a fair comparison because Dooley got jobs based on his name. He had a losing record in 3 years at LA Tech. CBJ won at CMU and Cincinnati. Look at the track records people.
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How is that a fair comparison when Butch Jones followed uber-successful Brian Kelly at both of his previous two stops? Butch Jones inherited a Cincinnati team that went 12-0 the year prior, and he inherited a CMU team that went 9-4. Derek Dooley inherited a LaTech team that went 3-10 and fired their head-coach.

You cant just say "look at the results"...the reality is that this is the first time in Jones' career that he has walked into a train-wreck situation. His last two jobs came at schools where the previous coach was actually doing so well that he left to take a significant promotion. That is a whole lot different than coming into a job where you are getting hired because the previous coach failed miserably.
 
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volfanjustin said:
Anyone who can't see the difference between Saban's first year at Bama and Jones' first year at UT is clueless.
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You ain't KIDDDING!!!

Saban did lose 6 games... and not ONE of them by more than a TD. He was NOT blown out 4 times with his team not even showing up.
 
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sjt18 said:
Sorry but no. "Depth and speed" did not cost UT the Vandy game. UT is deeper, faster, and more talented than Vandy... and it ain't close.

That is also not the reason UT got beaten like an FCS team by Oregon, Bama, Mizzou, and Auburn.
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In what way is TN more talented than Vandy? Jordan Matthews is better than ANY receiver that we have on our team! Their secondary is better than ours. Their QB is better than ours. So how is TN more talented?
 
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