Pelosi visit to Taiwan

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norrislakevol said:
Well......we just left. The Taliban could have never, ever, ever came close to defeating us on the battle field. We could have stayed 100 years if we wanted to and there wouldn't have been a damn thing they could have done about it except get slaughtered every time they tried to fight us.
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And on the flip side, we (allegedly) have the best equipped, best maintained, best strategizing military on the planet... and these cave dwellers and goatherders essentially fought us to a deadlock before we ran out of the place like a scalded dog... a complete replay of the fall of Saigon.

But we are going to show not one nuclear power, but two powers simultaneously who the boss is.
 
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norrislakevol said:
Well......we just left. The Taliban could have never, ever, ever came close to defeating us on the battle field. We could have stayed 100 years if we wanted to and there wouldn't have been a damn thing they could have done about it except get slaughtered every time they tried to fight us.
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True but Trump signed what amounted to surrender terms, then Biden made our withdrawal a disaster.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
China has a clear concern (whether you think it is a valid concern is not relevant) that a leading US official (3rd in power succession behind POTUS and VP) could be making a visit that is setting the stage for US recognition of Taiwan.
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This is going to be a very super cynical theory, but is this alleged trip to Taiwan a stunt to prop up Pelosi as a tough, strong leader and set the stage for her to bypass Kamala once the push Joe out between midterms and the new Congress is put in place? Its obvious that Kamala isn't ready for primetime (not suggesting Pelosi is any better). Maybe they figure out a way to get Kamala to got to Eastern Europe on a plane and something happens (Ron Brown)...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Oh wow... iphone production. Yeah, because that is the most important thing we have coming out of China.
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That would be the first call. After that it would be the CEOs of Nike, and Walmart, and AMZN, etc etc etc. Move your production out of China in 12 months or the tariffs will put you out of business. Period.
 
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To the liberals and green agenda folks... look at carbon footprint Pelosi is leaving behind with all of this military support on this trip.
Also, I thought we were still in a pandemic? Why face to face meetings when we have Zoom and Teams?

To the conservatives, look at the waste of military resources.

And for what? Just to stick it to China or some PR stunt?
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
That would be the first call. After that it would be the CEOs of Nike, and Walmart, and AMZN, etc etc etc. Move your production out of China in 12 months or the tariffs will put you out of business. Period.
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Well first off, 12 months isn't practical. I'll say it again, you have to build your new house before you burn down the old one. You just can't move production somewhere else at the snap of a finger. That is simply a tooling, machining, construction problem.

Secondly, what will likely happen is that they will just move to Malaysia, Vietnam or Indonesia, not back here to the US.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well first off, 12 months isn't practical. I'll say it again, you have to build your new house before you burn down the old one. You just can't move production somewhere else at the snap of a finger. That is simply a tooling, machining, construction problem.

Secondly, what will likely happen is that they will just move to Malaysia, Vietnam or Indonesia, not back here to the US.
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Of course they will move to Vietnam. I'm fine with that. Just gtfo of China. Now. And it isn't MY house that is being burned down. It's AAPL's. and AMZN's. And I hold a LOT of stock in both of them. They need to stop doing all of their business in China to keep producing cheap **** for cheap American consumers and allowing Pooh Bear to bend us over.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Is there a problem with surrendering? Especially after 20 years of nothing being gained?
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Yes. The Taliban would have agreed to much less one-sided terms. But Trump was in such a hurry to o get a deal signed that he gave away the farm. It probably didn't matter in the end considering the way Biden botched the pullout.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Of course they will move to Vietnam. I'm fine with that. Just gtfo of China. Now. And it isn't MY house that is being burned down. It's AAPL's. and AMZN's. And I hold a LOT of stock in both of them. They need to stop doing all of their business in China to keep producing cheap **** for cheap American consumers and allowing Pooh Bear to bend us over.
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true - how can anyone take these Chinese idiots, that keep shutting down thier economy, thinking it will stop the spread of covid, serious ?
 
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Pelosi should take AOC with her. That would guarantee that the visit wouldn’t be taken seriously.
 
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EasternVol said:
Afghanistan didn't surrender to the Taliban, we did.
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No we didn't.
Get your facts straight.

We handed control over to the Afghan government who we had been training for 20 years. Then they let Taliban take control as soon as we decided to leave.

ANY NEWS OUTLET can tell you this.

The hell are you going on about?
 
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norrislakevol said:
Well......we just left. The Taliban could have never, ever, ever came close to defeating us on the battle field. We could have stayed 100 years if we wanted to and there wouldn't have been a damn thing they could have done about it except get slaughtered every time they tried to fight us.
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Exactly. The hell is that fool talking about 🤣
 
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LittleVol said:
No we didn't.
Get your facts straight.

We handed control over to the Afghan government who we had been training for 20 years. Then they let Taliban take control as soon as we decided to leave.

ANY NEWS OUTLET can tell you this.

The hell are you going on about?
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Oh. What was it that Trump signed then?
While we're there, how do you think our removal of air support under Biden affected the Afghans?
 
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LittleVol said:
No we didn't.
Get your facts straight.

We handed control over to the Afghan government who we had been training for 20 years. Then they let Taliban take control as soon as we decided to leave.

ANY NEWS OUTLET can tell you this.

The hell are you going on about?
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We handed it over to a government we knew would
fold right away. Trump and Biden knew it.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And on the flip side, we (allegedly) have the best equipped, best maintained, best strategizing military on the planet... and these cave dwellers and goatherders essentially fought us to a deadlock before we ran out of the place like a scalded dog... a complete replay of the fall of Saigon.

But we are going to show not one nuclear power, but two powers simultaneously who the boss is.
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This adminstration boy oh boy
 
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Unless our peep have concluded that China will start a war regardless of how the U.S. conducts its foreign policies, I think it is a bad idea to poke China over Taiwan.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well first off, 12 months isn't practical. I'll say it again, you have to build your new house before you burn down the old one. You just can't move production somewhere else at the snap of a finger. That is simply a tooling, machining, construction problem.

Secondly, what will likely happen is that they will just move to Malaysia, Vietnam or Indonesia, not back here to the US.
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Exactly. Plus where are we going to find the workforce to fill these jobs in the next 12 months?
 
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