Pelosi visit to Taiwan

[Thunder Good-Oil]

You think they will be able to just ramp up making widgets overnight? Even if they are making things right now, they will have to scale up to meet US demand.

And even then, that isn't the answer because now instead of China, we are relying on another foreign country.

I’d rather rely on other free countries than the CCP.

Not overnight, but the capitalists came up with an abundance of PPE, ventilators, and hospital space rather quickly. The risk/reward of economic decisions drives it. The decision to continue exploiting China’s resources is still in play. Policy can change that very quickly.

 

[SuzyVol]

That would make a great movie.

We will definitely need a closeup when she realizes she is opening a book bag.

 

[LouderVol]

It's fun to see Ras back on the "they dont get to determine their own independence" bandwagon.

You only get to self determinate if Ras allows it.

 

[LittleVol]

Obviously, this is provocative. The people telling her to go are trying to get a reaction out of China. Why do we have to instigate s^^t unnecessarily in other countries' sphere of influence?

Taiwan IS our sphere of influence.

 

[VolStrom]

Obviously, this is provocative. The people telling her to go are trying to get a reaction out of China. Why do we have to instigate s^^t unnecessarily in other countries' sphere of influence?

Maybe we should threaten to shoot down a high ranking CCP official for flying to Canada? Does that make any sense to you?

 

[LittleVol]

She should go. **** them. This isn't an overtly aggressive act. They aren't our peer. This isn't an aggressive move. Go to hell.

It is to China.
And they are certainly our peers.

With that said....they can't tell us where to go.

Taiwan has 24 million people that believe they are autonomous and free of China.

China is looking for a reason to be brave and fight.
They hate white people.
At the core that's what it is. Because of how China was carved up by Europe in the early 20th century.

Unfortunately United States is a punch drunk boxer looking to regain its form.

 

[LittleVol]

Everyone is telling her not to go, including Biden. Chinese hinting at military action if she does. Seems like poking the bear needlessly.

Conspiracy theories? That in fact everyone really wants her to go, to test China?

Come on man.
Where's the poll at??

"How many want her jet to get shot down."?

 

[VolStrom]

It is to China.
And they are certainly our peers.

With that said....they can't tell us where to go.

Taiwan has 24 million people that believe they are autonomous and free of China.

China is looking for a reason to be brave and fight.
They hate white people.
At the core that's what it is. Because of how China was carved up by Europe in the early 20th century.

Unfortunately United States is a punch drunk boxer looking to regain its form.

We also bailed their ass out during WW2 just like we did Europe. F the Chinese, if they couldn't steal our technology they wouldn't have a damn thing.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Taiwan IS our sphere of influence.

Have you looked at a map?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Maybe we should threaten to shoot down a high ranking CCP official for flying to Canada? Does that make any sense to you?

Nope. Why would we do such a thing?

 

[MOOOOONEY]

Instead of being a strong world economic and military leader, maybe we can write more poems promoting world harmony.

Unfortunately this isn’t 2019.

We don’t have a strong military leader and our economy is a sh$tshow.

Why can’t we just take care of our own country first?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Unfortunately this isn’t 2019.

We don’t have a strong military leader and our economy is a sh$tshow.

Why can’t we just take care of our own country first?

This military aggressiveness that these guys support is the right wing equivalent of virtue signaling. They want to show how virtuous they are by going up against China and Russia. Meanwhile, our country is being eroded away from the inside out.

 

[VolStrom]

Nope. Why would we do such a thing?

It doesn't make any more sense than it does for China to shoot down Pelosi's plane, therefore it will never happen unless the Chinese want to test their planes and pilots against the US pilots.

 

[LittleVol]

Dear God... so it's all about saving face. Optics over diplomacy and pragmatism. We really have morons out here that think provoking yet another nuclear super power is worth it if it means maintaining this ridiculous and outdated image.

You really DON'T get it.

I've seen you arguing provocation for days on end for Russia or China. Ukraine was definitely more provocation from the west.

THIS?
This has been China waiting patiently for decades to get strong to challenge the US and enforce their will. How can you sit there and ignore 24 million of Taiwan as if they have no voice?

Is US being "selfless " in defending them? Of course not! Does the US in fact WANT war with China?....yes.

But what you fail to see time and time again is that Putin, and now Xi were going to war regardless of what the United States does.

 

[MOOOOONEY]

Wow I can’t believe we have so many people in this thread that trust the Biden administration to handle a conflict with China.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

It doesn't make any more sense than it does for China to shoot down Pelosi's plane, therefore it will never happen unless the Chinese want to test their planes and pilots against the US pilots.

Can we step away from this shooting down planes argument just a bit? I think that is highly unlikely. However, what they could do is likely some other action that we really don't need right now. And for what? Just so we can stick our chests in support of that clown Pelosi and/or the Biden Administration?

 

[Orangeburst]

What is she even going over there for? They are not known for their vodka or ice cream
Seems like a distraction

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Unfortunately this isn’t 2019.

We don’t have a strong military leader and our economy is a sh$tshow.

Why can’t we just take care of our own country first?

It’s not a sh$tshow on a relative basis. Which economies are superior?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Wow I can’t believe we have so many people in this thread that trust the Biden administration to handle a conflict with China.

Couldn't even handle pulling out of 3rd World country, but now we are going to stick it to China. The insanity is real.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

What is she even going over there for? They are not known for their vodka or ice cream
Seems like a distraction

That is the first question that needs to be asked? Why this trip? And why now?

 

[LittleVol]

Have you looked at a map?

Have you examined the workings of your computer? Or any of your furniture?

 

[MOOOOONEY]

It’s not a sh$tshow on a relative basis. Which economies are superior?

Right now china’s. We are over a trillion dollars in debt to China. Just about every widget we purchase comes from China. Joe Biden is begging Saudi Arabia to produce more oil.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Unfortunately this isn’t 2019.

We don’t have a strong military leader and our economy is a sh$tshow.

Why can’t we just take care of our own country first?

BTW, as far as taking care of our own country first… the “IC” in ICBM is short for intercontinental. We can’t simply hide behind the Atlantic and Pacific moats anymore.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Right now china’s. We are over a trillion dollars in debt to China. Just about every widget we purchase comes from China. Joe Biden is begging Saudi Arabia to produce more oil.

China’s economy is growing faster. They are far from having a superior economy.

 

[LittleVol]

That is the first question that needs to be asked? Why this trip? And why now?

To punk China.

To elicite a fight or flight response.

People haven't been paying attention to the news. Not really. Even though it's thrown in our face over. China will supposedly overtake US military capabilities by 2030. Possibly by 2027. Why would the United States allow that to happen? Knowing our history...United States will not allow that to happen.