Penn State scandal (merged)

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zjcvols said:
Just a quick opinion about the riots.

I think they are really, really upset about it b/c Joe Pa said he would step down to basically coach one more home game, and they said "Nope, sorry." And that's why they are upset.

Stupid, but still.

Tom Farrey said it's basically a war zone.
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This is basically right on. It was not a war zone, but it got way out of hand for a long while. But this student body should flat out be humiliated to the disgrace they added on to their university.
 
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pl3 said:
Nevermind. It's a misunderstanding. Joepa just thought sand and the boy were horsing around and fondling in the shower. If he knew it was rape, he would have done more. This is what he will say.
Ridiculous.
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I don't know if he thinks it's going to help his public perception by saying, "hey I wasn't told it was rape!...McQueery just said it was molestation...didn't think that was such a big deal?"
 
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therealUT said:
I bring God into this because most individuals in America do believe in God and believe that he is a moral being. If God can allow this to happen and still be supremely moral, then why if Paterno allows this to happen is he morally bankrupt?

It cannot be reconciled.
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Let's see, you say if God is moral? So Paterno is a god in your view? From seeing some of your posts in politics section you are just trolling to be antigod at any chance you get. Play a different game for a while!
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goooooovols said:
I don't know if he thinks it's going to help his public perception by saying, "hey I wasn't told it was rape!...McQueery just said it was molestation...didn't think that was such a big deal?"
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This will come out when they discuss the actual conversation with McQueery at JoePa's home. Words like "vague", "just horseplay", "light fondling" were used according to JoePa, but not the words "rape, sodomy, or child molestation".
Makes it even more ridiculous if you ask me.
 
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Oldvol75 said:
Let's see, you say if God is moral? So Paterno is a god in your view? From seeing some of your posts in politics section you are just trolling to be antigod at any chance you get. Play a different game for a while!
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If morality is an absolute concept, then the morality of a Deity would be the same concept applied to Man. Therefore, if God allows these things to happen and is still considered supremely moral, then one cannot say Paterno is morally bankrupt for doing the same.

I am saying that worst case scenario, Paterno had all the knowledge and voluntarily permitted these things to happen makes Paterno on the same moral standing as the idea of God, according to Occidental Theology.
 
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therealUT said:
Is America morally bankrupt because we did not step in to prevent the atrocities in the Soviet Union, China, North Korea, Rwanda, Liberia, etc.?

Or, you have a different standard of morality for an individual person and a group of persons?

America certainly had reports of atrocities being committed in all those locations and certainly had the power to step in and prevent them in at least Rwanda and Liberia.
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Hold up. You're seriously comparing the decision risk soldiers, who aren't party to any of it, in defending another unrelated party to covering up child rape in a subordinate?
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BigPapaVol said:
Hold up. You're seriously comparing the decision risk soldiers, who aren't party to any of it, in defending another unrelated party to covering up child rape in a subordinate?
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1. Paterno did not cover it up. He reported it. There is nothing in the Grand Jury report that says otherwise.

2. The analogy being made by many in here is that if one has the knowledge (which, according to everyone in here only consists in a report) and the ability to put an end to atrocious conduct, then one is morally obliged to do so. So, either America and Paterno are morally bankrupt or they are not (or, persons in here have some kind of moral double-standard, which goes against the concept of morality (universal)).
 
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pl3 said:
This will come out when they discuss the actual conversation with McQueery at JoePa's home. Words like "vague", "just horseplay", "light fondling" were used according to JoePa, but not the words "rape, sodomy, or child molestation".
Makes it even more ridiculous if you ask me.
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I agree. Considering who is involved, more will come out, people will roll, and we will hear things we don't want to.
 
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therealUT said:
1. Paterno did not cover it up. He reported it. There is nothing in the Grand Jury report that says otherwise.

2. The analogy being made by many in here is that if one has the knowledge (which, according to everyone in here only consists in a report) and the ability to put an end to atrocious conduct, then one is morally obliged to do so. So, either America and Paterno are morally bankrupt or they are not (or, persons in here have some kind of moral double-standard, which goes against the concept of morality (universal)).
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For your summer reading list, I suggest less philosophy and more logic.
 
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therealUT said:
If morality is an absolute concept, then the morality of a Deity would be the same concept applied to Man. Therefore, if God allows these things to happen and is still considered supremely moral, then one cannot say Paterno is morally bankrupt for doing the same.

I am saying that worst case scenario, Paterno had all the knowledge and voluntarily permitted these things to happen makes Paterno on the same moral standing as the idea of God, according to Occidental Theology.
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How far in left field are you? Outside the wall perhaps? Perhaps navigating away from the Occidental Observer would help.
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therealUT said:
An individual who adheres to a system of morals that is different than your own does not make that individual morally bankrupt.

What Paterno did was, in my assessment, in complete accordance with Kantian Morality.
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Kant spent his whole life on a university campus, never traveled more than ten miles from where he was born, and died a virgin. Calling him an authority on real-life human morality is like hiring an Xbox champion to coach an NFL football team.
 
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