Penn State scandal (merged)

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So when an older woman likes younger men, she is a cougar. But when an older man likes younger men, he us a Nittany Lion!
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read something I found interesting on ESPN:

The students who took to the streets here have overwhelmingly backed the 84-year-old Paterno in the sex-abuse scandal involving former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky. Ironically, many of those students would have been about the same age as Sandusky's alleged victim was in 2002.
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would these students be backing JoePa so strongly if they had been the ones in the shower?
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Kant spent his whole life on a university campus, never traveled more than ten miles from where he was born, and died a virgin. Calling him an authority on real-life human morality is like hiring an Xbox champion to coach an NFL football team.
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This has nothing to do with the fact that his philosophy is grounded in A Priori premises and that his arguments are valid.

You can argue for empiricism all you want; I do not.
 
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therealUT said:
1. Paterno did not cover it up. He reported it. There is nothing in the Grand Jury report that says otherwise.

2. The analogy being made by many in here is that if one has the knowledge (which, according to everyone in here only consists in a report) and the ability to put an end to atrocious conduct, then one is morally obliged to do so. So, either America and Paterno are morally bankrupt or they are not (or, persons in here have some kind of moral double-standard, which goes against the concept of morality (universal)).
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Paterno did exactly what was required of him to cover his own ass and then proceeded to carry on with business as usual, knowing full well nothing would ever come of it. Now he's trying to "crawdad" his way out of this by saying the GA didn't divulge the full details to him of what happened (which I don't believe in the least). He could have stopped all of this with one phone call to the police, but he chose to protect his precious university over protecting the victim of this heinous act! How you can sit there and defend this man is beyond me.
 
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GAVol said:
Splitting hairs between what is moral, legal and ethical doesn't help the kids.
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That's the biggest thing that bothers me. The people who are supporting Paterno seem to keep forgetting the root of this issue, which are the kids. How anyone can say Paterno was wronged when the kids are the ones who wronged just makes me scratch my head.

Where's the damn riots for the kids?
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GAVol said:
Splitting hairs between what is moral, legal and ethical doesn't help the kids.
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If you guys have took any business classes you would know.(you guys probably have) Ethically he did everything he is suppose too. Morally he did not, but this is my problem with people who all of the sudden want to stand on morals when a kid gets hurt. They want to stand by their morals for kids, but when money or something is in question they throw everything out.(this is what you see a lot of in America)

Since everyone is comparing this to a business and what they would do.(for the above paragraph)

You think the people on the board are not trying to cover their ass on this? This falls on the perpetrator and the AD.
 
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Penn State was having their players volunteer with Sandusky's program until just recently. Not only did they do nothing to stop Sandusky, they were actively supporting the charity that he was using to prey on children.
 
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utvolpj said:
read something I found interesting on ESPN:



would these students be backing JoePa so strongly if they had been the ones in the shower?
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I wish reporters would have asked the protesters what if it was your little brother.....would you still be supporting jo pa?
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volinreallife said:
If you guys have took any business classes you would know.(you guys probably have) Ethically he did everything he is suppose too. Morally he did not, but this is my problem with people who all of the sudden want to stand on morals when a kid gets hurt. They want to stand by their morals for kids, but when money or something is in question they throw everything out.(this is what you see a lot of in America)

Since everyone is comparing this to a business and what they would do.(for the above paragraph)
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You think the people on the board are not trying to cover their ass on this? This falls on the perpetrator and the AD.
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This entire scenario has nothing to do with your definition of ethics that you supposedly are applying from defining ethics in your freshman business class.
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bamawriter said:
Penn State was having their players volunteer with Sandusky's program until just recently. Not only did they do nothing to stop Sandusky, they were actively supporting the charity that he was using to prey on children.
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No ****ing way. This is gonna get way worse. If what was allowed to happen, I don't see ow the program lasts.
 
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Let`s not let the GA and his dad off the hook either. GA saw the rape calls his dad who told him to come home. NOT!!!! Get back in there and HELP that child I`ll call the cops.
 
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therealUT said:
This has nothing to do with the fact that his philosophy is grounded in A Priori premises and that his arguments are valid.

You can argue for empiricism all you want; I do not.
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His arguments aren't what I have a problem with. It's the postulates from which he derives them. Make some arbitrary crap up how human knowledge is obtained, derive some conclusions from them geometry-style, and then use that as an iron clad basis for all moral action. It's sophomoric.

Using Paterno's apparent indifference to allegations of child rape -- as long as he did that one thing that he's required to do, no problem! -- is actually a great example of how bankrupt Kantian morality is. Perfect in Kant's airy fairy ivory tower, but would make you a monster if you adhered to it in real life. Your brother's upstairs hiding from a gang of killers, and they knock on the door and ask if he's there? "Come on in, guys! I can't tell a lie!"

Kant's works are invaluable as an exercise in learning how to think seriously about things. As a guide to how to live, they're toilet paper.
 
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volinreallife said:
If you guys have took any business classes you would know.(you guys probably have) Ethically he did everything he is suppose too. Morally he did not, but this is my problem with people who all of the sudden want to stand on morals when a kid gets hurt. They want to stand by their morals for kids, but when money or something is in question they throw everything out.(this is what you see a lot of in America)

Since everyone is comparing this to a business and what they would do.(for the above paragraph)

You think the people on the board are not trying to cover their ass on this? This falls on the perpetrator and the AD.
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I can promise you I have at least as many business courses as you and you are 100% wrong on this one.

Paterno allowed Sandusky to be around the program, often, long after 2002. He even pushed some of his players to do charity work for Sandusky at the foundation. This was reported this morning by former player who played from 2003-2006. He said Sandusky was around all the time.

You might want to review the meaning of ethics because you are dead wrong on this one.
 
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For some fans its about whatever it takes to win and disregard ethics, Any grown man especially one in his 70's at the time should have known any accusation such as this needed more attention then going to the AD with it.

JoePa - Hey Graham, a janitor stopped me and told me Sandusky was molesting a little boy in the shower, just thought you should know so I am clean of any of it.

Graham - Thanks JoePa, you can't believe anything a janitor tells you, probably wants a raise, next time you see Sandusky tell him I said hello and ask if he still wants to babysit my boys
 
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