Peyton Manning's faith

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golf437 said:
Sorry Atheism will be for the loss.
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If God is the loving and perfect Father believers make him out to be, religious affiliation will make no difference. Follow the golden rule. I refuse to believe there is a God that will condemn an atheist who does that.
 
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Recoil said:
I'm assuming you posted that to show he's a hypocrite?

We all fail, whether in word, thought or deed.

I don't know Peyton, and I'm not vouching for his Faith, but the beauty of Grace is that it is for us even when we aren't for ourselves.

-Chief of Sinners
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It's just supposed to be funny
 
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Errrrbody want to go to heaven but nobody wants to die, Everybody wanna hear the truth but yet everybody wants to tell a lie.
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
I typically don't comment on religious things around here. Before my wife and I got divorced however, I was a preacher.

Here's my 2 cents, for anyone who cares:

I appreciate those who are vocal about their faith to an extent. I don't appreciate the rapper who thanks God when he wins an award for his song that contains filthy language and inappropriate themes.

But I do appreciate someone who seems to try to live it out in their life talking about it. I appreciate Tim Tebow, despite what others may say about him. He has yet to give me a reason to think he is hypocritical in his life. And I definitely appreciated reading this about Peyton.

But to those who are saying, "I appreciate the guy keeping it private," I actually don't. Not that he's wrong for it, I'm sure he's displayed his faith in many ways to many people we don't know about. However, Jesus says you are the light of the world, and don't put it under a basket, but display it. I think that if the world doesn't know you're a Christian, just a good moral person, you're not doing your job. Jesus said "Woe to you when all men speak well of you." If you're pleasing everyone because you're not stepping out there, then you're not doing what you should. If you're living as a Christian, you're going to offend people.

Many people say "It's that they try to force it on people." I don't see how a Christian making a statement about their faith is any more "forcing" than you turning on the tv and being bombarded with advertisement. It's someone telling you they have something they think is great, and you should have it too. But if you don't want it, hey, at least you knew.

Oh, and you said, "The world would be a better place if everyone just minded their business?"

If I saw a car coming at you, and you didn't see or hear it, and I just minded my own business, would the world be a better place then?

Understand, most Christians (won't go with all), but most Christians, if they say anything at all about Jesus, it's most likely coming from a true belief in Heaven or Hell. And if you don't have that, okay. But understand that if a person says anything to you about it, to them its the equivalent of at least trying to push you out of the way of what could be a terrible eternity. How could you hate on that? That someone loved you enough to try to push you out of the way of something they believed to be real?

I know some Christians are abrasive, legalistic, annoying at times, and highly hypocritical. We've all met them. But if you ever meet a TRUE Christian, who is trying to walk in the footsteps of the man named Jesus and be like him, I guarantee you, you don't come away from that person despising Christianity, or being pushed further away.

Just my 2 cents. Carry on Volnation.
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Well said sir!!!!!:hi:
 
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n_huffhines said:
If God is the loving and perfect Father believers make him out to be, religious affiliation will make no difference. Follow the golden rule. I refuse to believe there is a God that will condemn an atheist who does that.
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Read Ephesians 2:8-9 and John 14:6. It all comes down to do you believe in God. Who do you believe God is. Is He the God of the Bible? If He is then He tells us the way to Him. Its no coincedence that the God of the Old Testament is the same God of the three major religions. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. I know their are differences but all three religions got their start with father Abraham. It is when Jesus enters the picture when things begin to diverge. Ask yourself why is that. Food for thought. Not judging just sharing.
 
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volyall said:
And it's not our job to be fruit inspectors! :)
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Actually that's all we can do....not judge...but inspect the fruit....We will know them(true believers) by their fruit....But I think I understand what you were trying to say...
 
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Thanks for posting this article. Before I read this I had tons of respect for Peyton.....this makes me respect and admire him even more. A few (not many) seem offended by this thread. Not sure why they bothered to read it....but I appreciate Freak for allowing this forum. For the most part it has been great discussion. Now on to the Super Bowl and a Peyton victory!
 
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orange_glory said:
Read Ephesians 2:8-9 and John 14:6. It all comes down to do you believe in God. Who do you believe God is. Is He the God of the Bible? If He is then He tells us the way to Him. Its no coincedence that the God of the Old Testament is the same God of the three major religions. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. I know their are differences but all three religions got their start with father Abraham. It is when Jesus enters the picture when things begin to diverge. Ask yourself why is that. Food for thought. Not judging just sharing.
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Follow me on this train of thought...

Is God a perfect Father?

What is your idea of a perfect Father?

Say you get home from work and your boy doesn't greet you immediately for whatever reason, but he behaved at school, was nice to his sister, and helped his Mom with chores. Then he wants to pal around with his Dad. Do you say, "Forget it. You didn't greet me when you had the chance, now get out of my presence."

I think most Christians' interpretation of God leaves something to be desired. We pick and choose what we take literally and figuratively from the Bible, and the idea that good people can/will be banished from God's presence doesn't jive. I think the Bible has been either (1) mistranslated, (2) misinterpreted, or (3) is false.

Let's say it's a little bit of 1 and 2.
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
I typically don't comment on religious things around here. Before my wife and I got divorced however, I was a preacher.

Here's my 2 cents, for anyone who cares:

I appreciate those who are vocal about their faith to an extent. I don't appreciate the rapper who thanks God when he wins an award for his song that contains filthy language and inappropriate themes.

But I do appreciate someone who seems to try to live it out in their life talking about it. I appreciate Tim Tebow, despite what others may say about him. He has yet to give me a reason to think he is hypocritical in his life. And I definitely appreciated reading this about Peyton.

But to those who are saying, "I appreciate the guy keeping it private," I actually don't. Not that he's wrong for it, I'm sure he's displayed his faith in many ways to many people we don't know about. However, Jesus says you are the light of the world, and don't put it under a basket, but display it. I think that if the world doesn't know you're a Christian, just a good moral person, you're not doing your job. Jesus said "Woe to you when all men speak well of you." If you're pleasing everyone because you're not stepping out there, then you're not doing what you should. If you're living as a Christian, you're going to offend people.

Many people say "It's that they try to force it on people." I don't see how a Christian making a statement about their faith is any more "forcing" than you turning on the tv and being bombarded with advertisement. It's someone telling you they have something they think is great, and you should have it too. But if you don't want it, hey, at least you knew.

Oh, and you said, "The world would be a better place if everyone just minded their business?"

If I saw a car coming at you, and you didn't see or hear it, and I just minded my own business, would the world be a better place then?

Understand, most Christians (won't go with all), but most Christians, if they say anything at all about Jesus, it's most likely coming from a true belief in Heaven or Hell. And if you don't have that, okay. But understand that if a person says anything to you about it, to them its the equivalent of at least trying to push you out of the way of what could be a terrible eternity. How could you hate on that? That someone loved you enough to try to push you out of the way of something they believed to be real?

I know some Christians are abrasive, legalistic, annoying at times, and highly hypocritical. We've all met them. But if you ever meet a TRUE Christian, who is trying to walk in the footsteps of the man named Jesus and be like him, I guarantee you, you don't come away from that person despising Christianity, or being pushed further away.

Just my 2 cents. Carry on Volnation.
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1 Corinthians 9:16 For though I preach the gospel , I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel !
 
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orange_glory said:
Read Ephesians 2:8-9 and John 14:6. It all comes down to do you believe in God. Who do you believe God is. Is He the God of the Bible? If He is then He tells us the way to Him. Its no coincedence that the God of the Old Testament is the same God of the three major religions. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. I know their are differences but all three religions got their start with father Abraham. It is when Jesus enters the picture when things begin to diverge. Ask yourself why is that. Food for thought. Not judging just sharing.
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Because John 14:6 says He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man comes to the Father but by me.
 
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n_huffhines said:
If God is the loving and perfect Father believers make him out to be, religious affiliation will make no difference. Follow the golden rule. I refuse to believe there is a God that will condemn an atheist who does that.
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It isn't God who condemns, but the people who reject His free, simple gift. God offers a way out of the condemnation you speak of. Is it His fault if one refuses it?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Follow me on this train of thought...

Is God a perfect Father?

What is your idea of a perfect Father?

Say you get home from work and your boy doesn't greet you immediately for whatever reason, but he behaved at school, was nice to his sister, and helped his Mom with chores. Then he wants to pal around with his Dad. Do you say, "Forget it. You didn't greet me when you had the chance, now get out of my presence."

I think most Christians' interpretation of God leaves something to be desired. We pick and choose what we take literally and figuratively from the Bible, and the idea that good people can/will be banished from God's presence doesn't jive. I think the Bible has been either (1) mistranslated, (2) misinterpreted, or (3) is false.

Let's say it's a little bit of 1 and 2.
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Because according to the Bible their are no "good people". All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. If "good people" can get to heaven then why did Jesus have to die? Also we have copied manuscripts of the New Testament that date back to 100 or so years after the life of Jesus, which is incredible for an ancient text. Everyone believes Plato and his teachings without question but the copied manuscripts we have of his works are dated about 1,000 or more years from when he lived. The point is the sooner the documentation from when it happened the more accurate it would probably be. We also have the Dead Sea Scrolls that prove the ancient text was meticulously copied and authenticated to assure accuracy. The Bible also predicted the future which no other spiritual book can claim.
 
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The prediction was of the coming of Jesus which was predicted about 400 years before it actually happened.
 
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The Bible had many authors, from different countries, and from different times yet it is cohesive. It is a miracle that the Bible is the finished product that it is. Yes, people do disagree about certain things but the core message is usually intact. The Bible is a love story about God and how He interacts and reconciles with his created beings.
 
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Other_Guy said:
It isn't God who condemns, but the people who reject His free, simple gift. God offers a way out of the condemnation you speak of. Is it His fault if one refuses it?
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I'm confused. Does God not judge us after this life and find us worthy or unworthy?
 
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The Bible is also supernatural. It is actually the words of God and it is how He speaks to us. If anyone with a sincere heart truly seeks for answers, Jesus said that he would find answers, knock and the door shall be opened.
 
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