Peytons supporting cast

#51
#51
Manning just never looked into the game last night. Something was wrong there. It's like he played in a trance. He delivered the ball way late on many occasions. He completed some passes and nearly got his receivers killed.

Hopefully they'll be back.
 
#52
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Defense beats offense just about every time.. The Bronco oline made no adjustments. Never chipped the end coming around.. That was a great game plan by Seattle. Denver had no answers.

I think the only way you beat that defense is with bigger more physical receivers. You have to actually block someone on the line and give the QB time also. That was pitiful.
 
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They were good enough to help him get all the records. Off of a lot of screens, and short passes where receivers made big plays. Can't have it both ways
 
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Antwturn said:
He wasn't "terrible". Hell where was his help? Defense couldn't stop a dadgum thing. Offensive can't block. Recovers fumble balls. What else you want the man to do? Run the ball? Play safety? Play special teams?
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How about not throw costly interceptions, pick sixes in particular? That would've been a start.
 
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Cartervol said:
Defense beats offense just about every time.. The Bronco oline made no adjustments. Never chipped the end coming around.. That was a great game plan by Seattle. Denver had no answers.

I think the only way you beat that defense is with bigger more physical receivers. You have to actually block someone on the line and give the QB time also. That was pitiful.
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Bigger, more physical receivers? They're 6'3 230, 6'3 215 and 6'5 250. Welker's the only small guy. Their size and ability to be physical with the Seahawks' secondary was considered a strength and one of the reasons why the Broncos could win going into the game.

I do agree with you about the OL though....they were horrible, beginning with the first play snap from the center. The Broncos were bad all the way around .... including Peyton.
 
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865dude said:
They were good enough to help him get all the records. Off of a lot of screens, and short passes where receivers made big plays. Can't have it both ways
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I was thinking the same thing. Somehow this horrible supporting cast put Manning in the record book.
 
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KBVol said:
Bigger, more physical receivers? They're 6'3 230, 6'3 215 and 6'5 250. Welker's the only small guy. Their size and ability to be physical with the Seahawks' secondary was considered a strength and one of the reasons why the Broncos could win going into the game.

I do agree with you about the OL though....they were horrible, beginning with the first play snap from the center. The Broncos were bad all the way around .... including Peyton.
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Decker and Welker are route runners. Neither are very physical.. They played robber on those crossing routes and took that crap away. A more physical guy runs through that. That got stonewalled..
 
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Imo this loss isn't Manning's fault and whoever said he has had a good supporting cast his whole career is dead wrong. Who did he have in Indy besides two receivers? The o-line couldn't block tonight and they got to Manning. Thats something no one else has been able to do all year. One of the pics was a direct outcome of this because he was getting crushed as he threw the ball. Thomas is an athletic guy but as receivers go is very raw and it showed tonight. Decker isn't athletic enough to be effective against the Hawks D. Welker is like 50 years old. Every time Manning got something going a WR or RB fumbled the ball.

The Broncos defense is really banged up and they really miss Von Miller. Both of their corners are old and slow and are going to retire very soon. Their safetys are average. Basically their whole defense is average and that wont win a Super Bowl.

Flame away but Manning needs help. Chris Carter just said the same thing so idk how some of you are saying he has a good supporting cast.
 
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Look, last night doesn't change the fact that Peyton is a top 5 QB all-time, and that's coming from a person that's not a huge fan of him.

However, why is nobody here giving at least a little bit of blame to Peyton for that offensive performance? I mean, he is essentially calling the plays and handling the ball every play, so at some point, he has to take a little blame for it, doesn't he?
 
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KingNick865 said:
Look, last night doesn't change the fact that Peyton is a top 5 QB all-time, and that's coming from a person that's not a huge fan of him.

However, why is nobody here giving at least a little bit of blame to Peyton for that offensive performance? I mean, he is essentially calling the plays and handling the ball every play, so at some point, he has to take a little blame for it, doesn't he?
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Oh yeah.. He had a bad night. Mostly because of Seattle's defense was one step ahead of him. Played faster also. Seattle was the better team period.. Denver got exposed.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Imo this loss isn't Manning's fault and whoever said he has had a good supporting cast his whole career is dead wrong.
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Did we watch the same game? Wait you are one of those if Denver would have won it was all Manning, but since they lost it's not Manning's fault?

You are dead wrong saying that Manning is not to blame partially (it is a team sport so one person can't take the blame). He looked awful when he was under pressure and overthrew several passes (one that should have been a touchdown). I love Manning just as much as anyone. I think he is the greatest regular season QB ever, but in the post-season he is way down that list.
 
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Cartervol said:
Oh yeah.. He had a bad night. Mostly because of Seattle's defense was one step ahead of him. Played faster also. Seattle was the better team period.. Denver got exposed.
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No doubt about that; the Seattle defense played about the best game I've ever seen in the Super Bowl.

I just don't like how a lot of Vol fans are quick to lump most of, if not all the success on Peyton, but don't give him most of the blame when things go bad.
 
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Vol Karma said:
Did we watch the same game? Wait you are one of those if Denver would have won it was all Manning, but since they lost it's not Manning's fault?

You are dead wrong saying that Manning is not to blame partially (it is a team sport so one person can't take the blame). He looked awful when he was under pressure and overthrew several passes (one that should have been a touchdown). I love Manning just as much as anyone. I think he is the greatest regular season QB ever, but in the post-season he is way down that list.
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He does deserve some blame but not all.
 
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keckjm said:
Manning can't complain about not having weapons this year. I'm the biggest Manning supporter ever, but Pete Carroll just owned the Broncos. Manning struggles with pressure, really bad now after his neck injury, and the Seahawks put the hurt on him. The biggest issues with the Broncos is their o-line was vastly overrated coming into the playoffs, and everyone knew their secondary was terrible. The Seahawks simply took advantage of the weaknesses of the Broncos and it worked. It also helped that their special teams got a huge boost with Harvin. It is what it is, but for the first time I just think Manning looked like it was over for him.
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Last night night his teams seemed to be uninterested in playing the game. The returner tried to run the opening kickoff which was 8 yards deep, the center screwed the first snap. the receivers seemed to be very passive and often gave up yards after the catch, the offensive line could not have blocked me, the defensive line could not stop the run, the special teams could not block or tackle, the secondary could not defend the pass or tackle, etc.,etc.,etc. Denver was the most ill-prepared team I have ever seen in the Super Bowl and I have seen every one of them. They looked like a low class high school team. Attitude and talent win football games and Denver did not play with attitude. That is about all I can say.
 
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KingtUT said:
He was far from terrible. He got harrassed every time he dropped back. If anyone was terrible it was his o-line. His WR's also got owned.
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He was so bad he set a Super Bowl record for pass competitions! Not sure but I think it would have helped if he'd had some help last night.
Very poor play from Denver in most every aspect of the game.:loco:
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
He does deserve some blame but not all.
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I agree with that. I think he gets unfairly more blame than he should at times, but that comes with the position (QBs get too much credit when things go good too). The Broncos as a whole (including Manning) didn't show up last night. Manning as the on-field leader gets a little more blame because of that too (just like a General in the military does when one of his units screw up). I think that blame is fair in this case.
 
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KingNick865 said:
No doubt about that; the Seattle defense played about the best game I've ever seen in the Super Bowl.

I just don't like how a lot of Vol fans are quick to lump most of, if not all the success on Peyton, but don't give him most of the blame when things go bad.
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plenty of praise was given to his supporting cast too. Of course now that they also failed the fingers want to point back to PM. All 3 phases of the Broncos sucked last night. When you see PM rolling out of the pocket multiple times you know his team is in for a long night
 
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#74
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utvolpj said:
getting hit while throwing happens to every qb. The first was on him but trying to pin the 2nd on him is pretty weak
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Disagree. First one was bad, he panicked and made a bad throw because of the rush at his feet.

He second was on him as well. Had pressure in his face coming from his right side. He didn't have time to throw it, yet he threw it anyway. He's a rhythm, timing thrower. He's made a bazillion throws and I'd be willing to bet he knew he didn't have time, yet he threw it anyway. The result was an ill-advised throw that popped straight up into the air that has picked and returned for a td.

Look, I love Peyton Manning. I'm one of his greatest fans. Been following him and defending him since his freshman year at UT. He was in no way the sole reason for this loss. The entire team was absolutely awful. But he was bad as well and I've seen it over and over and over through the years. He typically plays poorly in the biggest games. I've learned to live with it, but I'm just gonna call it what it is.
 
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