Police shooting black man in the back ... again (Kenosha, WI)

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utvols88 said:
I'll bite, a known criminal with a warrant who is under arrest is about to get into a van with three kids and a woman to run from the police. Those civilians are now in danger whether it's being taken somewhere besides home, on a high speed chase, etc. The individual is also proven violent with an active warrant.

The only way it's not justified is if he exclaimed his intention to check on his kids in the van.
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One article I read said whoever called 911 said the guy was not supposed to be there. Don't know if that's from being trespassed, restraining order/prior domestic, bad blood, etc.
 
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I really feel like a LEO could execute somebody in broad daylight in the middle of time square with a 1000 witnesses and the first thing we would hear is the victim’s criminal record and drug history. There is a lot of this BS to somehow mask the mistakes of these douche bags with a bully complex and a badge and a gun.

Hate all you want, but every interaction I’ve ever had with police is being handed a BS ticket and an expectation that I need to walk on eggshells because my safety is less important than theirs.
 
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rjd970 said:
I really feel like a LEO could execute somebody in broad daylight in the middle of time square with a 1000 witnesses and the first thing we would hear is the victim’s criminal record and drug history. There is a lot of this BS to somehow mask the mistakes of these douche bags with a bully complex and a badge and a gun.

Hate all you want, but every interaction I’ve ever had with police is being handed a BS ticket and an expectation that I need to walk on eggshells because my safety is less important than theirs.
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I don’t hate but I do wonder why you feel that way . I’ve never felt like I was in danger or had to walk on eggshells . Every time I’ve gotten a ticket it was righteous and I was break the law . They just busted me and that’s how I deal with it . Most of the time I laugh , ask questions , be honest and he or she decides what to do .
 
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0nelilreb said:
I don’t hate but I do wonder why you feel that way . I’ve never felt like I was in danger or had to walk on eggshells . Every time I’ve gotten a ticket it was righteous and I was break the law . They just busted me and that’s how I deal with it . Most of the time I laugh , ask questions , be honest and he or she decides what to do .
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I’ve gotten three tickets in my life. All three I had thrown out in court for being bogus. The last one I got the officer screamed at me and pulled his weapon because I reached for my insurance card in the console and didn’t tell him I was going to do it. At 42 years old and 3 total tickets, I don’t get pulled over that often. Why should I have to fear for my life in these situations or alway wonder/stress if I’m doing something that could spook the officer?

I did get pulled over a 4th time a few years ago because I was driving the same car they were looking for a suspect in. They let me go but I had 4 cops surrounding my car and one had an AR.

I’m a law abiding, tax paying citizen that generally minds my own business. And I really do get that it is a difficult job....but has to be a better way to interact with the public. I don’t really believe it matters (or don’t want to) but when the gun was pulled on me there is a small part that wonders if it would have ended differently had I not been driving a nicer car or looked different.
 
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rjd970 said:
I’ve gotten three tickets in my life. All three I had thrown out in court for being bogus. The last one I got the officer screamed at me and pulled his weapon because I reached for my insurance card in the console and didn’t tell him I was going to do it. At 42 years old and 3 total tickets, I don’t get pulled over that often. Why should I have to fear for my life in these situations or alway wonder/stress if I’m doing something that could spook the officer?

I did get pulled over a 4th time a few years ago because I was driving the same car they were looking for a suspect in. They let me go but I had 4 cops surrounding my car and one had an AR.

I’m a law abiding, tax paying citizen that generally minds my own business. And I really do get that it is a difficult job....but has to be a better way to interact with the public. I don’t really believe it matters (or don’t want to) but when the gun was pulled on me there is a small part that wonders if it would have ended differently had I not been driving a nicer car or looked different.
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I understand , I haven’t had that experience at all in any state I’ve been in . I’ve had some real Dics but they are most DOT guys . Those guys have the personality of social workers .
 
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rjd970 said:
I’ve gotten three tickets in my life. All three I had thrown out in court for being bogus. The last one I got the officer screamed at me and pulled his weapon because I reached for my insurance card in the console and didn’t tell him I was going to do it. At 42 years old and 3 total tickets, I don’t get pulled over that often. Why should I have to fear for my life in these situations or alway wonder/stress if I’m doing something that could spook the officer?

I did get pulled over a 4th time a few years ago because I was driving the same car they were looking for a suspect in. They let me go but I had 4 cops surrounding my car and one had an AR.

I’m a law abiding, tax paying citizen that generally minds my own business. And I really do get that it is a difficult job....but has to be a better way to interact with the public. I don’t really believe it matters (or don’t want to) but when the gun was pulled on me there is a small part that wonders if it would have ended differently had I not been driving a nicer car or looked different.
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So why didn’t you get shot? Did you talk s*** about them during or after the fact?
 
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37L1 said:
Your Point #1. If that proves to be true after an investigation, then it should be a slam dunk to take him/her and his/her jurisdiction to the cleaners and by that result, the policy and training gets changed if the policy is in error. In many of those situations it is true that the officers acted appropriately per their training/policy, the jurisdiction/Chief doesn't get sued and/or lose and nothing gets changed. You know who writes those policies these days? Attorneys.


Your Point #2. This is true for all professions, including yours.

I find it curious/interesting that 2 members of the legal profession are complaining about something that they have the training (and probably the wherewithal) to do something about and yet, apparently haven't, because one thinks it's bad for business (CWV) and you because?

My point is, that if it is morally and ethically wrong to do, (which is open to argument), there are avenues of redress built into the legal system. Why haven't those with which you take issue been addressed? For instance, Miranda, wasn't always required to be given for someone considered to be in custody. Now it is because someone took it to court and won?
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What makes it apparent that I haven’t tried to do anything about it?
 
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rjd970 said:
I really feel like a LEO could execute somebody in broad daylight in the middle of time square with a 1000 witnesses and the first thing we would hear is the victim’s criminal record and drug history. There is a lot of this BS to somehow mask the mistakes of these douche bags with a bully complex and a badge and a gun.

Hate all you want, but every interaction I’ve ever had with police is being handed a BS ticket and an expectation that I need to walk on eggshells because my safety is less important than theirs.
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So it’s just coincidence that 99% of police shootings also just happen to involve violent criminals with long criminal histories. You don’t think that has ANYTHING to do with the incidents at hand? You’re problem is you look to blame the “douchebag bullies” when in reality the vast majorities of their shootings are legal and justified. And even then shootings make up less than .0001% of all police-citizen encounters so it’s not like it’s a common occurrence when you consider all the interactions and even arrests of criminals that take place without them.

I had police encounters growing up to and only once did I have to “walk on eggshells” which was during an actual felony stop when my car matched the description of a car just stolen Five blocks away. I complied at gun point explained what was going on and the apologized and moved on. Some “Non criminal” people just get mad because they dont like to be called out and given a ticket for speeding or running a stop sign
 
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rjd970 said:
I really feel like a LEO could execute somebody in broad daylight in the middle of time square with a 1000 witnesses and the first thing we would hear is the victim’s criminal record and drug history. There is a lot of this BS to somehow mask the mistakes of these douche bags with a bully complex and a badge and a gun.

Hate all you want, but every interaction I’ve ever had with police is being handed a BS ticket and an expectation that I need to walk on eggshells because my safety is less important than theirs.
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I have received between 20-30 tickets in my lifetime bc I use to like to hammer down when I drove..... There had been other stops where I had been let go with a warning..... some were a$$holes just like in any profession but the only time I felt threatened was the time I decided to run from the police.... they caught me, pulled me out of my car with guns drawn but it ended peacefully bc I was very cooperative....Being a cop is an extremely hard job..... they get hit and shot at numerous times..... How many times would that happen to you before you are quick to pull your weapon and willing to fire it?

Cops are criticized when they punch someone.... aren’t allowed choke holds..... can’t put their knee in their neck...criticized for putting their knee in someone’s back.....we are pretty much eliminating any way for cops to subdue anyone without putting themselves at great risk.... Criminals don’t follow these same rules....

I was at Wal Mart one time and this big woman had been shoplifting..... the cops tried to detain her.... it was the funniest thing I had ever seen.... she beat the living hell out of those two cops bc they were trying not to be overly aggressive with everyone watching..... she threw those two cops all over the place before finally tiring out and allowing them to cuff her.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I have received between 20-30 tickets in my lifetime bc I use to like to hammer down when I drove..... There had been other stops where I had been let go with a warning..... some were a$$holes just like in any profession but the only time I felt threatened was the time I decided to run from the police.... they caught me, pulled me out of my car with guns drawn but it ended peacefully bc I was very cooperative....Being a cop is an extremely hard job..... they get hit and shot at numerous times..... How many times would that happen to you before you are quick to pull your weapon and willing to fire it?

Cops are criticized when they punch someone.... aren’t allowed choke holds..... can’t put their knee in their neck...criticized for putting their knee in someone’s back.....we are pretty much eliminating any way for cops to subdue anyone without putting themselves at great risk.... Criminals don’t follow these same rules....

I was at Wal Mart one time and this big woman had been shoplifting..... the cops tried to detain her.... it was the funniest thing I had ever seen.... she beat the living hell out of those two cops bc they were trying not to be overly aggressive with everyone watching..... she threw those two cops all over the place before finally tiring out and allowing them to cuff her.
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Lol .. Nobody puts big Sheri in the corner .
 
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I am 100% pro police, but I'm gonna say that there's more than 10% that are "bad cops". I've literally seen about 8 THP officers under the age of 22 the last couple years and many many of the locals are made up of kids under 21. I think it's a TERRIBLE recipe when you're mixing a weapon and a badge with a kid...

Now, people will argue, "well what about an 18 year old in the military". That's not really the same. They usually have a commanding officer with them telling them what to do.

Regardless, I don't see a lot of these "kids" doing the shooting of the blacks. It's mostly grown men that have a lot of experience .

If you'd be complicit, you've got a 99% chance of surviving a police stop. If you've got a history of anti police stuff and you wanna act stupid... well your chance is a lot slimmer. Pretty easy, right?
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
Look more spoiled ass white kids starting sh!t in the name of racial justice
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This isn’t going to stop if a Dem is elected president either these people belong to the Liberal party but they don’t want what Joe is selling , they want what Bernie and AOC are selling . It’s going to be interesting wearing the DNC and JOE try to coddle them into submission IF he wins . We already have a micro-example of that in Portland , Chicago , Minneapolis and Atlanta.
 
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