Portal needs after ESD [Portal, numbers and late additions - merged]

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sjt18 said:
So that UT gets to manage the numbers and timing rather than giving those decisions to the NCAA.
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The self investigation has to be put in the past. The University would be dumb to keep this an internal open book.

Is this 'self impose' thing coming from inside the University and media or is this just something fans are throwing out there? Serious question.
 
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Fatman Photos said:
Who are we looking at as to hopefully add to this class during the February signing period? If I am thinking correct, we can add 5 more to this class and also add 7 from the Transfer Portal.
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I doubt anyone here actually knows for sure but it will be interesting. UT can add 25 scholarship players from all sources- JUCO/HS and portal. Someone can correct me but I think Verse is an exception since he is moving from FCS to FBS. I don't think the rules ever restricted guys who did that other than having to fit them under the 85 scholarship cap.

Additionally, UT can add 7 replacements for players who left through the portal. I believe that is a one time rule which makes future management of the portal vs HS/JUCO even more interesting.

@LWSVOL does a good job with roster information so he would have exact numbers. But UT's roster limits have to factor in Covid+ players who are essentially freebies against the 85 cap and the number of guys who eventually leave college football altogether.

The hard part comes when they have to tell guys that they need to find a new team. It WILL happen. Let's say that not counting the Covid+ guys UT ends up with 60 players after retirements. Signing 25 brings them to 85 players. Signing 7 more through the portal rule gives them 92. Seven guys have to be moved off the roster.
 
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UTvol1fn said:
The self investigation has to be put in the past. The University would be dumb to keep this an internal open book.

Is this 'self impose' thing coming from inside the University and media or is this just something fans are throwing out there? Serious question.
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I’m just throwing it out there. And I don’t even think it’s a real thing. Numbers wise we can’t sign a full class without running several off. As of right now we sit at 68. If we sign 30 that puts us at 98 so then 13 must transfer out. So my thinking is don’t sign a full class and just call it a self imposed penalty.
 
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UTvol1fn said:
The self investigation has to be put in the past. The University would be dumb to keep this an internal open book.

Is this 'self impose' thing coming from inside the University and media or is this just something fans are throwing out there? Serious question.
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My understanding from media reports is that UT will give up an unreported number of scholarships and accept some other recruiting restrictions. If the NCAA isn't satisfied and decides to do another investigation, UT would lose control.

I think there are very good reasons not to publicly announce how many scholarships are being given up (if true). It denies opposing programs information that could help them recruit against UT.
 
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BP4Prez said:
I’m just throwing it out there. And I don’t even think it’s a real thing. Numbers wise we can’t sign a full class without running several off. As of right now we sit at 68. If we sign 30 that puts us at 98 so then 13 must transfer out. So my thinking is don’t sign a full class and just call it a self imposed penalty.
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I could be wrong but I thought the scholarship restrictions come off the 85 cap?

Is that 68 before or after retirements/NFL? Does that include the Covid+ players?
 
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BP4Prez said:
I’m just throwing it out there. And I don’t even think it’s a real thing. Numbers wise we can’t sign a full class without running several off. As of right now we sit at 68. If we sign 30 that puts us at 98 so then 13 must transfer out. So my thinking is don’t sign a full class and just call it a self imposed penalty.
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Well, the internal investigation is concluded. So this idea of yours doesn't make any sense.
 
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sjt18 said:
My understanding from media reports is that UT will give up an unreported number of scholarships and accept some other recruiting restrictions. If the NCAA isn't satisfied and decides to do another investigation, UT would lose control.

I think there are very good reasons not to publicly announce how many scholarships are being given up (if true). It denies opposing programs information that could help them recruit against UT.
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I'd like to see these reports. First I'm hearing about it. It seemed pretty definitive that we weren't imposing any penalties and the internal investigation was concluded.

edit: I guess we did self-impose some penalties with recruiting already, but it's not being disclosed. Anyway, I'm all for the University to tell the NCAA to gfy
 
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sjt18 said:
I'm not completely sure why so many people diss Whitehead. He needs to keep developing but he did some good things when called on. Maybe he would be a better LB. I don't know. But he doesn't "suck" as a RB. And as you note, one of the best things you can be as a RB... is available to play. Not sure why they didn't trust Beckwith but I think the rest of the scholarship players and a walk-on played due to injury.

If its true that Beckwith doesn't like contact then I'm not sure what you do with him. WR? Niche flex TE? FG blocking specialist? Loan him to the basketball team?

If true... very disappointing waste of athleticism and size.
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Not trying to diss Whitehead. But he was probably 3rd at best on the depth chart before our incoming freshman get in. And also assuming we don't get a RB in the portal. Just seems like he would be better suited for his long term NFL aspirations if he switched to LB, a position of need and position he would probably be more likely to see a lot more Reps at given our lack of depth there.
 
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I think you are correct about Hyatt. I'm not ready to write Calloway off. He kind of got shuffled out when they decided to trim the rotation and get better continuity. But he's still got a ton of talent and Heupel publicly said that he believed he was going to be a great player. I hope he sticks it out and excels.

Of all the things I'm worried about though... Heupel's decisions concerning WR and QB aren't among them.
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Yeah I like Calloway and Keyton as well. Our WR group is ridiculously deep with talent at the moment. I could definitely see one or two hitting the portal before our season opener if they can't crack the starting group.
 
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GregAmsler said:
Ahmad Moten (DT) and TJ Dudley (LB) are the first two that come to mind. Another CB like Andre Stewart might also be a possibility. I think we’re more likely to see activity from the portal at this point, though.
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Without question those are 3 of our biggest areas of need. We need db's, lb's, dl, and ol at this point imo.
 
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Fatman Photos said:
Who are we looking at as to hopefully add to this class during the February signing period? If I am thinking correct, we can add 5 more to this class and also add 7 from the Transfer Portal.
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TJ Dudley probably tops the list of targets for the 2nd signing day. Davison Igbinosun is supposed to commit at the Army All American game, and we're in his top 3. Jeremiah Caldwell is also among our top targets.

I'm sure there are others, but these appear to be the highest rated on the board.
 
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sjt18 said:
I could be wrong but I thought the scholarship restrictions come off the 85 cap?

Is that 68 before or after retirements/NFL? Does that include the Covid+ players?
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You are correct about scholarship restrictions being taken from the 85. UT will not relinquish any initial counters from each class’s 25.

Also, I’ve not looked at the roster to do a count (and I’m not going to because I’m busy, lol), but isn’t that 68 also inclusive of walk-on players we put on scholarship after the rash of transfers? We lost about 30 players to the portal last year, so I have a hard time believing we still had 68 scholarship players. Then again, never been a big math guy. Haha.
 
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MadWorld said:
I don't think that is the case, any player who had eligibility during the covid year is granted an extra year at no cost to the school's limit, whenever that occurs. Hendo does not count against 85 next season. Neither would Cade if he comes back. etc...
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I want to believe this is correct, but the last thing I remember hearing from the VQ guys they weren’t even totally clear how it all worked.

It’s college football, Saban has been doing tricky math for 15 years. Butch had a technicolor shirt scheme that was a huge pain to keep up with. The numbers will work out, one way or another.
 
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sjt18 said:
I doubt anyone here actually knows for sure but it will be interesting. UT can add 25 scholarship players from all sources- JUCO/HS and portal. Someone can correct me but I think Verse is an exception since he is moving from FCS to FBS. I don't think the rules ever restricted guys who did that other than having to fit them under the 85 scholarship cap.

Additionally, UT can add 7 replacements for players who left through the portal. I believe that is a one time rule which makes future management of the portal vs HS/JUCO even more interesting.

@LWSVOL does a good job with roster information so he would have exact numbers. But UT's roster limits have to factor in Covid+ players who are essentially freebies against the 85 cap and the number of guys who eventually leave college football altogether.

The hard part comes when they have to tell guys that they need to find a new team. It WILL happen. Let's say that not counting the Covid+ guys UT ends up with 60 players after retirements. Signing 25 brings them to 85 players. Signing 7 more through the portal rule gives them 92. Seven guys have to be moved off the roster.
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I think CJH and staff are keeping the the number of incoming players low just so they don't have to tell players they don't have a spot for them. Read an article a couple of years ago about coaches taking more commits than they had room for just in case they struck-out on a couple of players then having to tell players bye. That's BS in my opinion and really puts an athlete in a bad spot. One was U.Meyer at OSU and they tried to whitewash it and justify doing it. I'm sure CJH has several cards left to play and will use them wisely.
 
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GregAmsler said:
Ahmad Moten (DT) and TJ Dudley (LB) are the first two that come to mind. Another CB like Andre Stewart might also be a possibility. I think we’re more likely to see activity from the portal at this point, though.
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Stewart signed with Kentucky yesterday
 
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tbones0711 said:
I think CJH and staff are keeping the the number of incoming players low just so they don't have to tell players they don't have a spot for them. Read an article a couple of years ago about coaches taking more commits than they had room for just in case they struck-out on a couple of players then having to tell players bye. That's BS in my opinion and really puts an athlete in a bad spot. One was U.Meyer at OSU and they tried to whitewash it and justify doing it. I'm sure CJH has several cards left to play and will use them wisely.
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This is a different situation due to the portal. Players will leave because they think opportunities are better elsewhere. Programs will have no choice but to cull guys who aren’t expected to contribute to make room for portal players. Busts are going to have their scholarships pulled. Competition won’t allow nice.
 
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sjt18 said:
I doubt anyone here actually knows for sure but it will be interesting. UT can add 25 scholarship players from all sources- JUCO/HS and portal. Someone can correct me but I think Verse is an exception since he is moving from FCS to FBS. I don't think the rules ever restricted guys who did that other than having to fit them under the 85 scholarship cap.

Additionally, UT can add 7 replacements for players who left through the portal. I believe that is a one time rule which makes future management of the portal vs HS/JUCO even more interesting.

@LWSVOL does a good job with roster information so he would have exact numbers. But UT's roster limits have to factor in Covid+ players who are essentially freebies against the 85 cap and the number of guys who eventually leave college football altogether.

The hard part comes when they have to tell guys that they need to find a new team. It WILL happen. Let's say that not counting the Covid+ guys UT ends up with 60 players after retirements. Signing 25 brings them to 85 players. Signing 7 more through the portal rule gives them 92. Seven guys have to be moved off the roster.
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as it currently stands counting the 20 they signed to LOIs yesterday, the roster is sitting on 88.

Verse will count as a transfer.

Tennessee will not take a full 25 class as they plan to impose some reductions due to the investigation. Have not heard the number but if they took 5, then they are finished with class except they could add transfers up to 7. I'M NOT SAYING THEY REDUCE BY 5, just an example.

Speculation I've seen is between signees and transfers, they will end up with 26 or 27.
 
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