Pro-Russia Trump Led Republicans Vote Against NATO

[luthervol]

No you're willing to send others to protect some unnecessary treaty. There's a difference

Do you think NATO has impacted Russia's moves of expansion?

 

[Vol8188]

No, them not being to control Ukraine caused this war. The crap about NATO troops on their border was always laughable.

Wouldn’t placing them in nato lesson Russia’s ability to control them? If so, sounds like war again

 

[tvolsfan]

I’m not trying to defend Russia, but outside of Ukraine, Georgia and Chechnya, who else have they invaded or attacked? And in that regard, are they any worse than the US?

Those are just the countries Putin has tried to annex so far. It’s pretty clear Putin considers all Soviet territory to be rightfully part of Russia.

 

[MG1968]

Those are just the countries Putin has tried to annex so far. It’s pretty clear Putin considers all Soviet territory to be rightfully part of Russia.

He’s been in power for nearly 20 years.

 

[luthervol]

Or we're trying to pick a fight. European history says that's a valid concern

Pick a fight by saying "don't invade foreign countries"?

 

[tvolsfan]

Wouldn’t placing them in nato lesson Russia’s ability to control them? If so, sounds like war again

Wait, so is your argument that Russia should just be able to annex all the countries they want so we don’t have war? I thought you were accepting the lie that this for “security concerns”.

 

[luthervol]

So we agree their talks of joining nato caused the war. I thought this was to prevent war?

No, we agree that had Ukraine been in NATO they never would have been invaded.
And we further agree that Sweden's and Finland's admittance in NATO greatly reduces the risk of Russian invasion.

 

[Vol8188]

No, we agree that had Ukraine been in NATO they never would have been invaded.
And we further agree that Sweden's and Finland's admittance in NATO greatly reduces the risk of Russian invasion.

Only if you believe Russia thinks we will honor nato

 

[tvolsfan]

Only if you believe Russia thinks we will honor nato

That is literally the one thing that has stopped them.

 

[luthervol]

Only if you believe Russia thinks we will honor nato

Of course they think we will; otherwise, why would they care?

 

[hog88]

What does Finland and Sweden bring to the table or will they be like the rest of Western Europe and be a drain on our tax dollars?

 

[Vol8188]

Of course they think we will; otherwise, why would they care?

When you say they care, are you agreeing the desire to join nato lead to this?

 

[tvolsfan]

What does Finland and Sweden bring to the table or will they be like the rest of Western Europe and be a drain on our tax dollars?

Finland is ahead of NATO targets. I don’t think Sweden is going to be a drain, either.

 

[tvolsfan]

When you say they care, are you agreeing the desire to join nato lead to this?

France and Germany were undoubtedly promising Putin they would never let Ukraine into NATO. Didn’t matter. Putin wants the land.

 

[OHvol40]

I thought Matt Gaetz quit to run a daycare.

 

[hog88]

Finland is ahead of NATO targets. I don’t think Sweden is going to be a drain, either.

What does that mean? Can they financially contribute the required amount to NATO or will we have to subsidize them like we did the rest of the organization for decades?

 

[Vol8188]

France and Germany were undoubtedly promising Putin they would never let Ukraine into NATO. Didn’t matter. Putin wants the land.

So if France and Germany are making promises to Putin, why do you think they’ll honor commitments to us?

 

[luthervol]

When you say they care, are you agreeing the desire to join nato lead to this?

Not at all. I'm saying Russia wanted the land and knew this was their only chance. They saw Ukraine moving more and more to the west.

 

[n_huffhines]

Let Sweden, Finland, and Ukraine in and get ourselves out. It's so simple.

 

[luthervol]

So if France and Germany are making promises to Putin, why do you think they’ll honor commitments to us?

How in the world are those two things mutually exclusive? You're grasping at straws.

 

[Vol8188]

How in the world are those two things mutually exclusive? You're grasping at straws.

They’re not mutually exclusive, but interesting. If our Allie’s are making promises to our enemies, it’s reasons to take interest. What would motivate them to do so?

 

[Orangeburst]

What does that mean? Can they financially contribute the required amount to NATO or will we have to subsidize them like we did the rest of the organization for decades?

Why not
We are subsiding this war
Ridiculously bearing the financial burden

 

[tvolsfan]

What does that mean? Can they financially contribute the required amount to NATO or will we have to subsidize them like we did the rest of the organization for decades?

Finland already spends more than that. Sweden is increasing to the required 2 percent.

 

[utvolpj]

Pick a fight by saying "don't invade foreign countries"?

By parking a whole bunch of weapons on their property line. History shows no one likes that, US included

 

[OrangeTsar]

Finland used to be a part of Sweden.

Finland used to be part of Russia under the Tsars. Sibelius wrote Finlandia as a thinly veiled call for Finnish independence. Sweden and Norway were combined for quite a while