Proof of the Collapse of the Republic

#51
#51
emainvol said:
I really can't see how trying to support your family or live a better life can be considered nihilistic. In fact, it seems to be the exact opposite.
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They don't even want to learn the language and they boast about reconquering the southwest.

Is it OK to break the law, just as long as you are out there doing it to try and feed your family?

This is crazy talk...
 
#53
#53
Tenn_Vol_Authority said:
All men are created equally and are empowered with individual freedoms that are granted to them by God. But you cannot have people that don't respect the laws of our land or even have the decency to even make an attempt tolearn the language just run all over our society in a nihilistic manner.
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Why don't you go ahead and research the history of German emigration to the US? They made much less attempts to speak English than Mexicans are. The Germans established their own towns, where, all the residents spoke German, and very few spoke English.

And, the "it's illegal" argument is worthless.
 
#54
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therealUT said:
Why don't you go ahead and research the history of German emigration to the US? They made much less attempts to speak English than Mexicans are. The Germans established their own towns, where, all the residents spoke German, and very few spoke English.

And, the "it's illegal" argument is worthless.
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Well since we have our own culture now, that argument holds NO ground. Hey if you guys want all of Mexico here that's fine, but like I said when someone gets hurt or killed by these people who ARE NOT supposed to be here then you will change your tune.
 
#55
#55
Go to some of the areas of NYC...some of the boroughs on the island. Tell me why it took a hundred years to get many of these groups to assimilate.

Come to Atlanta. Drive up Buford Highway and go to places like Chamblee and Doraville. Look for the Romanians, the Bosnians, the Russians, the Koreans, etc. Many of these came here both illegally and legally but yet have chosen to keep much of their old way of life intact. Look at the signs of the businesses. Go into the little market stores and speak English to order.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Well since we have our own culture now, that argument holds NO ground. Hey if you guys want all of Mexico here that's fine, but like I said when someone gets hurt or killed by these people who ARE NOT supposed to be here then you will change your tune.
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Someone gets hurt and killed by people regardless of legal status. Again, all you seem to think that are here are Mexicans. Keep in mind that there are boatloads of Chinese coming here along with many others from SE Asia. What good will a fence do to stop them? Or Those from Eastern Europe? Will a fence in Mexico stop that? Seeing how drugs are smuggled from other areas along the southern border, I don't think a fence will do much good. Or slapping border agents shoulder to shoulder as well.
 
#57
#57
So if you can't fix any part of a problem, then you should just ignore the whole problem? Makes sense, uh no it doesn't.
 
#58
#58
CSpindizzy said:
Go to some of the areas of NYC...some of the boroughs on the island. Tell me why it took a hundred years to get many of these groups to assimilate.

Come to Atlanta. Drive up Buford Highway and go to places like Chamblee and Doraville. Look for the Romanians, the Bosnians, the Russians, the Koreans, etc. Many of these came here both illegally and legally but yet have chosen to keep much of their old way of life intact. Look at the signs of the businesses. Go into the little market stores and speak English to order.
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You know the other day I called the National Passport Information Center to get some information on a passport and there were options for both English and Spanish. What's funny about that is, why do I have to choose for one, then I thought where are the other languages if they are being politically correct?? You know the thing about it is there isn't 12 million Russians, Japanese, or Brazilians coming here illegally now is there?? Its 85-95% people from Mexico and Central America. The fence will never be built and our people can't shoot people crossing without going to jail, sounds pretty spineless to me.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
The fence will never be built and our people can't shoot people crossing without going to jail, sounds pretty spineless to me.
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Do you shoot people everytime someone does something illegal? Hang around an intersection and shoot those running red lights or stop signs. God forbid all those people break the law....you never ran a light or stop sign have you? Sped above the speed limit?
 
#63
#63
CSpindizzy said:
Do you shoot people everytime someone does something illegal? Hang around an intersection and shoot those running red lights or stop signs. God forbid all those people break the law....you never ran a light or stop sign have you? Sped above the speed limit?
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Yes I have ran a red light, but that doesn't make it right. I am a Citizen of the United States though and I have the right because I am here legally to break those laws if I choose to. Since you drink the "everybody is equal" kool-aid and think our constitution applies to everyone in the world then you are a lost soul and our country's soverignty is at stake here. If you have NO pride in our way of life that's fine, but don't bitch when you have a bunch of people who don't want to be Americans living in your town and you have to speak a different language just to do business with them. Shoot some of our schools are requiring students to learn both English and Spanish. That right there scares the crap outta me.
 
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#64
I find the argument that early europeans established italian towns, dutch towns, etc.. and the latinos have tried much harder to not do that. HA! They don't try for such meager goals as small enclaves, has anyone been to the STATE of California.
 
#65
#65
I drink the everyone is equal kool aid? I've never even stated my position. I'm only pointing out the flaws in the arguments used by others. Strange how you can conclude that without me even stating my position. YOU are the one complaining about all of this. I have quite a bit of pride. I just have a problem with people only arguing one side of this while allowing Americans to break the law. I find it humorous that you say you have a 'right' to break the law here in the US solely because you are a citizen. I missed where any US document gives you a right to break the law opposed to someone of another nation just based on citizenship.

As far as learning another language, I had to take a language class in order to graduate. Is that wrong?

If you think this country's sovereignty is at stake because of illegal immigration, then go call on the real source of the problem to be solved. If you want to punish lawbreakers, call on those Americans to be punished as well. No one has a right to break a law. Your citizenship status does not give you a right to break a law. Again, these people will not come here if Americans didn't hire them. So Americans are the ones facilitating this. Punish them.
 
#67
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CSpindizzy said:
Again, these people will not come here if Americans didn't hire them. So Americans are the ones facilitating this. Punish them.
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I am sure most Americans that have a problem with illegal immigration agree with this.

But also, the ones hiriing illegals are not the only problem. Illegals coming here to support gang activity or other such activites are not being facilitated by employers. They are being facilitated by a US goverment that does not give a damn about border security.
 
#68
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Yes I have ran a red light, but that doesn't make it right. I am a Citizen of the United States though and I have the right because I am here legally to break those laws if I choose to. Since you drink the "everybody is equal" kool-aid and think our constitution applies to everyone in the world then you are a lost soul and our country's soverignty is at stake here. If you have NO pride in our way of life that's fine, but don't bitch when you have a bunch of people who don't want to be Americans living in your town and you have to speak a different language just to do business with them. Shoot some of our schools are requiring students to learn both English and Spanish. That right there scares the crap outta me.
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I do not even know how to respond to your right to legally break laws. If you have read my ultra-libertarian posts, then you should be aware that you are way out on the fringe when I will even look at your post in the following way: :crazy:.

As to the requirement to learn Spanish. It scares the crap out of me that furthering the education of someone scares the crap "outta" you. Look at Europe. Right now French students grow up speaking their mother tongue, then they learn German and English when they start their primary education. God forbid that we Americans actually teach our children the language of a bordering nation.
 
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allvol123 said:
I am sure most Americans that have a problem with illegal immigration agree with this.

But also, the ones hiriing illegals are not the only problem. Illegals coming here to support gang activity or other such activites are not being facilitated by employers. They are being facilitated by a US goverment that does not give a damn about border security.
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Do we have a number on how many are here for gangs and not employment?

They don't care because constituents are making money off of this.

Example: State Sen. Jim Whitehead is running to fill the vacancy of Cong. Charlie Norwood who passed away recently. Whitehead's core issue is immigration but yet there are many supporters and contributors who are actually benefitting from hiring illegals. Whitehead will talk tough to appeal to the masses and get elected but what happens when he gets in? Nothing. Because the money in his district is tainted. From construction all around the Lake Oconee area to poutry farms and plants up to the far corners of the state, his contributions will have come from those employers. So let's follow the pattern. Borders need to be fixed but government does not care because those who keep the politicians in power do not want the change. Therefore illegals keep coming because the demand continues. How to you cut off the demand of illegal activity? Crack down on it. Punish the ones hiring and there will be no demand.
 
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therealUT said:
As to the requirement to learn Spanish. It scares the crap out of me that furthering the education of someone scares the crap "outta" you. Look at Europe. Right now French students grow up speaking their mother tongue, then they learn German and English when they start their primary education. God forbid that we Americans actually teach our children the language of a bordering nation.
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:thumbsup:

I guess I need to stop letting my kids watch Dora the Explorer.
 
#72
#72
allvol123 said:
I find the argument that early europeans established italian towns, dutch towns, etc.. and the latinos have tried much harder to not do that. HA! They don't try for such meager goals as small enclaves, has anyone been to the STATE of California.
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That's funny.

I'm not very educated on this topic but will give my .02 because I'm sick of trying to get appointments with people at work and need a break.

I agree it is difficult to compare immigrants starting china towns etc. We were a growing nation and needed people to come here. I have no problem with people wanting to live here but do it the right way. Yes yoy can point out individual aliens who just want a better life just as I can point out aliens who want to do us harm. Fact is something needs to be done to fix a growing problem! I'm not sure if it is just shutting down the borders or just fixing the way people come here legally so the process is faster and more efficient.

The reason for the hispanic focus is because you don't see other peoples coming in droves from Canada like Mexico. Did anyone hear about the Mexicans who pulled down the American falg at a post office in Cali and put up a Mexican flag? THAT IS A BIG PROBLEM!! They weren't even arrested.

Nobody is asking them to forget their heritage but what happened to assimilating into US society? I see plenty of Asians and Indians for example that keep their heritage but still speak English. We shouldn't have to change our ways for them if they want to live here lets help them learn the American way.

Also I don't like Spanish because I was terrible at it in HS and college :)
 
#74
#74
therealUT said:
I do not even know how to respond to your right to legally break laws. If you have read my ultra-libertarian posts, then you should be aware that you are way out on the fringe when I will even look at your post in the following way: :crazy:.

As to the requirement to learn Spanish. It scares the crap out of me that furthering the education of someone scares the crap "outta" you. Look at Europe. Right now French students grow up speaking their mother tongue, then they learn German and English when they start their primary education. God forbid that we Americans actually teach our children the language of a bordering nation.
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:lolabove: That's one of the best posts I've seen about the situation and I have never agreed with you before.
 
#75
#75
Tenn_Vol_Authority said:
They don't even want to learn the language and they boast about reconquering the southwest.

Is it OK to break the law, just as long as you are out there doing it to try and feed your family?

This is crazy talk...
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And this is not nihilism. Nihilism is the idea that world and our very existence is without a purpose, boasting of reconquering the southwest is a purpose. Here is the flaw with your statement though, you use the general pronoun "they." Does "they" in this case mean "all of the illegals?" If it does, then this becomes a completely outrageous claim. Please back it up.
 
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