QB competition..

[KBVol]

Pretty much all of this. He got it close enough for North to make a great catch. He did and it lead to a win.

I find it puzzling that Worley has yet to totally separate himself from the pack at this point. With his experience I was expecting there to be little doubt at this point who the qb is.

Could be that we have a QB or 2, Ferguson and Dobbs, that is/are very talented and are pushing the more experienced QB. Glass half full.

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

you a coach?

No but the coaches that have Worley/Ferguson taking the first team reps...... are coaches

 

[LotteryPick]

No but the coaches that have Worley/Ferguson taking the first team reps...... are coaches

I respect your posts, but you go a little far with the Dobbs bashing.

That may not be your intention, but it certainly comes off that way.

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

Someone needs to tell Joshie if he wants any chance at playing time, he better catch everything he - as much as - touches.

Otherwise, bench this kid. :mf_surrender:

Pretty much. He's the college player equivalent of a coach on the hot seat.

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

I respect your posts, but you go a little far with the Dobbs bashing.

That may not be your intention, but it certainly comes off that way.

I probably do. The kid is a great athlete and has great character, I really really thought he would be something special considering his sharp mind and athleticism.

The problem is, I put him at the same level as Josh Smith in my mind. He just didn't play well as a freshman. Not nearly well enough to give me hope for him. Basically to me this is the same as if people were arguing that Josh Smith should be starting this year.

I'll try to cool it down, but I really have high hopes for Worley's senior year. And I was once very anti-Worley. He won over my support, I guess that's why I'm so quick to shoot down the idea that Dobbs should be on the field.

 

[LotteryPick]

I probably do. The kid is a great athlete and has great character, I really really thought he would be something special considering his sharp mind and athleticism.

The problem is, I put him at the same level as Josh Smith in my mind. He just didn't play well as a freshman. Not nearly well enough to give me hope for him. Basically to me this is the same as if people were arguing that Josh Smith should be starting this year.

I'll try to cool it down, but I really have high hopes for Worley's senior year. And I was once very anti-Worley. He won over my support, I guess that's why I'm so quick to shoot down the idea that Dobbs should be on the field.

I understand. I think Worley will also do well this season; last year I thought he'd never play again.

It's definitely promising to hear reports of his consistency.

 

[sjt18]

hahaaaaaa. he had to fend the guy off after getting behind him. have u ever played wr before? i have and i can tell u that ball was underthrown

Have you? North was being hand checked down the sideline. It is next to impossible to correctly and consistently lead a guy in that situation. However Worley understood that they had to have a play downfield and threw the ball where North could make a play on it. That was a well positioned pass whether you believe it to be "luck" or skill. The TD pass was decidedly an EXCELLENT throw. ONLY North had a play on the ball.

 

[LotteryPick]

A lot of people don't realize that QB's are throwing to a spot. It's the receivers job to get to that spot.

Most of the blame gets placed on the QB, when a lot of the time, it's the receivers fault.

 

[soda23]

"spot" on

 

[WoodsmanVol]

OK You, Coug, Lexyvol and the other 2 Dobbs supporters win. I am taking my horse to the barn.

Geez, man. I can't speak for the other guys but for myself, I say, put the pitiful victim act aside and read my post again. I clearly said (and have many times before) I'm not anti-Ferguson. When The Butch makes his choice of QBs, that's the one I will pull for while also believing we have three other capable ones ready to step in if necessary. And this is despite my belief that Dobbs will be the one selected. Somehow that hurts your feelings, fillings, fieldings--so sorry. But learn to read instead of playing the "Oh poor me, you all are picking on me because you don't agree with me." card. Sheesh! Now what did I say?
============Oh, here it is==========

Originally Posted by WoodsmanVol
1. Then you need to read back, and into various threads, and see what some of those Ferg folks have said.

2. I'm not anti-Ferg (dare you to find a post that says otherwise) and am just making fun of those who anointed him the starter just because he was seeing first team reps.

3. As a Vols fan, I got more sense than to be against any of our QBs. How can you claim to support your team if you hate on its players?

So get off your high horse and walk, the horse is too good for you to ride.

 

[sjt18]

A lot of people don't realize that QB's are throwing to a spot. It's the receivers job to get to that spot.

Most of the blame gets placed on the QB, when a lot of the time, it's the receivers fault.

Stop it... just STOP IT!!!

It is ALL on the QB and especially that no talent Worley. Every pass that was overthrown last year even with tight coverage was his fault for not completing for a TD.



In all seriousness, UT has 4 physically talented QB's capable of playing in the SEC. They aren't all equal. We really do not know how they compare to other SEC QB's since they have played with different receivers and in different situations with respect to system and time in system. Some of the strained logic here to support one or the other is amazing. I am dispassionate toward it but end up arguing against those that A) hate on Worley and B) ignore the ACTIONS that put words in context.

The actions of the coaches say that Worley is #1 and appear to be pointing toward Ferguson as #2. While I am sure there are people here with more expertise at judging QB's than Jones and more to lose if the wrong QB is chosen... Butch seems to think Worley doesn't "suck" and might just have enough talent to run the O. Maybe he'll decide someone else is better for the job... but there is NOTHING in his actual behavior since he got on the bus to leave Gainesville last fall that should make anyone believe that he doesn't feel comfortable with Worley if he wins the job.

Think it through. He didn't play more experienced WR's last fall. He was willing to take some extra lumps because he apparently didn't believe the more experienced and developed players had enough upside to justify it. If he didn't think Worley had what it takes then Worley wouldn't be getting reps with the 1's much less the favored reps with them.

Further, if Jones didn't think he could go with the 4 guys he has... he would have made signing a QB in the '14 class a much, MUCH higher priority.


Pretty much everything we see them do points toward confidence in the QB group AND that for now Worley is in the lead with Ferguson taking an advantage for #2.

 

[chattaboogie]

Stop it... just STOP IT!!!

It is ALL on the QB and especially that no talent Worley. Every pass that was overthrown last year even with tight coverage was his fault for not completing for a TD.



In all seriousness, UT has 4 physically talented QB's capable of playing in the SEC. They aren't all equal. We really do not know how they compare to other SEC QB's since they have played with different receivers and in different situations with respect to system and time in system. Some of the strained logic here to support one or the other is amazing. I am dispassionate toward it but end up arguing against those that A) hate on Worley and B) ignore the ACTIONS that put words in context.

The actions of the coaches say that Worley is #1 and appear to be pointing toward Ferguson as #2. While I am sure there are people here with more expertise at judging QB's than Jones and more to lose if the wrong QB is chosen... Butch seems to think Worley doesn't "suck" and might just have enough talent to run the O. Maybe he'll decide someone else is better for the job... but there is NOTHING in his actual behavior since he got on the bus to leave Gainesville last fall that should make anyone believe that he doesn't feel comfortable with Worley if he wins the job.

Think it through. He didn't play more experienced WR's last fall. He was willing to take some extra lumps because he apparently didn't believe the more experienced and developed players had enough upside to justify it. If he didn't think Worley had what it takes then Worley wouldn't be getting reps with the 1's much less the favored reps with them.

Further, if Jones didn't think he could go with the 4 guys he has... he would have made signing a QB in the '14 class a much, MUCH higher priority.


Pretty much everything we see them do points toward confidence in the QB group AND that for now Worley is in the lead with Ferguson taking an advantage for #2.

This makes far FAR too much sense to be posted of VN.

 

[MADISONGAVOL]

I believe Worley currently is your starter with Ferguson number 2. I anticipate fergy to win in the end

 

[btate]

Which QB would give us the best chance to win. Might not win but eventually he would be your QB . Would conservative play beat Alabama or a great arm?

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

Stop it... just STOP IT!!!

It is ALL on the QB and especially that no talent Worley. Every pass that was overthrown last year even with tight coverage was his fault for not completing for a TD.



In all seriousness, UT has 4 physically talented QB's capable of playing in the SEC. They aren't all equal. We really do not know how they compare to other SEC QB's since they have played with different receivers and in different situations with respect to system and time in system. Some of the strained logic here to support one or the other is amazing. I am dispassionate toward it but end up arguing against those that A) hate on Worley and B) ignore the ACTIONS that put words in context.

The actions of the coaches say that Worley is #1 and appear to be pointing toward Ferguson as #2. While I am sure there are people here with more expertise at judging QB's than Jones and more to lose if the wrong QB is chosen... Butch seems to think Worley doesn't "suck" and might just have enough talent to run the O. Maybe he'll decide someone else is better for the job... but there is NOTHING in his actual behavior since he got on the bus to leave Gainesville last fall that should make anyone believe that he doesn't feel comfortable with Worley if he wins the job.

Think it through. He didn't play more experienced WR's last fall. He was willing to take some extra lumps because he apparently didn't believe the more experienced and developed players had enough upside to justify it. If he didn't think Worley had what it takes then Worley wouldn't be getting reps with the 1's much less the favored reps with them.

Further, if Jones didn't think he could go with the 4 guys he has... he would have made signing a QB in the '14 class a much, MUCH higher priority.


Pretty much everything we see them do points toward confidence in the QB group AND that for now Worley is in the lead with Ferguson taking an advantage for #2.

Boom!

And opposition is silenced.

Post of the year candidate?

 

[GrowVol]

Which QB would give us the best chance to win. Might not win but eventually he would be your QB . Would conservative play beat Alabama or a great arm?

Alabama will be weak(er??) in the secondary. With our tall/fast receivers....hitch and goes/post routes along with faster tempo will hurt them. The QB with the quickest in game decisions to not throw into coverage , see checkdowns, or run. Thats not Worley. JMO...Worleys great and all...

 

[k-town_king]

Boom!

And opposition is silenced.

Post of the year candidate?

The only silent one is sjt. He won't address how inaccurate Worley is. Instead post some emotional response that ignores the numbers. Worley is not an accurate passer. His TD to int ratio is horrible against BCS conference teams. He MAY be the qb who will turn it over the least though. But with the other qbs gaining experience that may not be true either anymore.

 

[sjt18]

Which QB would give us the best chance to win. Might not win but eventually he would be your QB . Would conservative play beat Alabama or a great arm?

A win against Bama this year depends on far more than the difference in physical talent between these QB's. I am sure you thought that was a great rhetorical question... but a "great arm" on a QB that throws into coverage is not going to help beat Bama more than a QB that gets the O into the right play and runs at the tempo Jones wants.

 

[sjt18]

The only silent one is sjt. He won't address how inaccurate Worley is.

Yes I did. You are wrong. It is pretty simple. I listed QB's that had some success at UT that were far more and very obviously less accurate than Worley. Your conjured up reason is not proof of his supposed inaccuracy.

His stat line had more to do with WR's that for much of the season had no idea what they were doing than his inability to put the ball where it needs to be. You don't have to believe me. Listen to Jones/Bajakian.

Instead post some emotional response that ignores the numbers. Worley is not an accurate passer. His TD to int ratio is horrible against BCS conference teams. He MAY be the qb who will turn it over the least though. But with the other qbs gaining experience that may not be true either anymore.

There's emotion involved in recognizing that Worley is getting the reps you'd expect the current number 1 to get?

You are the one driven by an apparently desperate emotional need to discredit Worley based on his "inability" to post great stats with a HORRIBLE WR group. The best of the bunch... had NEVER played WR before.

Is that really hard for such an objective analyst such as yourself to understand?


I really, honestly do not care who starts. I like them all. I believe all have talent. I'll support any and all. I am not defending or favoring Worley as much as I am answering some pretty abject ignorance... and some stupidity.

 

[GrowVol]

The only silent one is sjt. He won't address how inaccurate Worley is. Instead post some emotional response that ignores the numbers. Worley is not an accurate passer. His TD to int ratio is horrible against BCS conference teams. He MAY be the qb who will turn it over the least though. But with the other qbs gaining experience that may not be true either anymore.

I agree, Worley has not been an accurate passer....maybe he will turn the corner. It will help having better receivers...maybe?
Worley is great at playing it safe and he has had plenty of time ,via OL, to play it safe.
I hope if Worley is the starter by 4th game...he's not throwing into coverage. I hope he's not throwing low which was his trademark last season in many key plays( NOT ALL)

 

[sjt18]

BTW, Worley's best two games were AFTER the WR's began to catch on a little and BEFORE his hand injury... UGA and USCe. Both teams had talent on D. He was very efficient in both games with no TO's and about 400 total yds passing betweent he two. He led the team to a win vs USCe and within a 4" stretch of a win vs UGA.

The team WAS improving behind Worley and took a step back when he went out to injury.

 

[GrowVol]

BTW, Worley's best two games were AFTER the WR's began to catch on a little and BEFORE his hand injury... UGA and USCe. Both teams had talent on D. He was very efficient in both games with no TO's and about 400 total yds passing betweent he two. He led the team to a win vs USCe and within a 4" stretch of a win vs UGA.

The team WAS improving behind Worley and took a step back when he went out to injury.

This:lolabove: Worley should do even better this season, right? Bet he does
But, on the other hand, why haven't the real Vols coaches(not us) named him the QB. Why is it not set in stone already?

 

[KBVol]

This:lolabove: Worley should do even better this season, right? Bet he does
But, on the other hand, why haven't the real Vols coaches(not us) named him the QB. Why is it not set in stone already?

How about because maybe the younger, more talented, more athletic guys, Dobbs & Ferguson who were both Elite 11 QBs, are actually improving and playing pretty well. It could be that Butch not having named a starter yet, in particular Worley, is a very good sign that we have really good competition at the position and that our QB play, after having all the guys in the system for a year now, is going to be significantly better.

Them not naming a QB starter as of yet doesn't have to mean we're in trouble, doesn't have to be a negative like most in here want to portray it as.

 

[GrowVol]

How about because maybe the younger, more talented, more athletic guys, Dobbs & Ferguson who were both Elite 11 QBs, are actually improving and playing pretty well. It could be that Butch not having named a starter yet, in particular Worley, is a very good sign that we have really good competition at the position and that our QB play, after having all the guys in the system for a year now, is going to be significantly better.

Them not naming a QB starter as of yet doesn't have to mean we're in trouble, doesn't have to be a negative like most in here want to portray it as.

Whatever pal....done....You tell me where I said "We are in trouble" because we have not named a starter. And Where did I portray the QB competition as "Negative"?
You should ignore my posts if you dislike my posts enough to consistently twist my posts into something they are not....or take your Ridlin...whatever with your reading/perception problems.

 

[Ez_Vol]

Saturday can't get here quick enough, and that won't end the debate.