QB competition..

[gunner]

with injured guys, dobbs did this. and against better teams. this further supports my theory that worley and fergy are battling for the #2 spot and dobbs i think will be our starter. they already know what they have in dobbs. worley coming off the injury and doesn't like to run is servicable, but imho not a starter in this system. fergy is the wildcard. peterman is the odd man out.

Dobbs is the starter? Have you been paying attention? Or is this just a joke?

 

[GrowVol]

Wrong. It was a great instinctual play and catch by North, but the ball was put where it had to be given the coverage for North to catch it.

BS,, Worley didn't didn't even see the coverage when he threw that "BAD Throw" that North grabbed out of thin air one handedp-no less..

 

[GrowVol]

Tennessee football coach Butch Jones said on “Vol Calls” Monday night that perhaps there had started to be some slight separation in the Vols’ four-way competition for first-team quarterback.

Saturday’s scrimmaged seemed to suggest that, too, because senior Justin Worley and redshirt freshman Riley Ferguson clearly got more first-team and second-team reps than sophomores Joshua Dobbs and Nathan Peterman.

You should not discount Dobbs and Peterman. There is no reason at this point to bring in negativity towards any of our QBs.

 

[KBVol]

Whatever pal....done....You tell me where I said "We are in trouble" because we have not named a starter. And Where did I portray the QB competition as "Negative"?
You should ignore my posts if you dislike my posts enough to consistently twist my posts into something they are not....or take your Ridlin...whatever with your reading/perception problems.

Honestly wasn't trying to twist your post. My apologies. Just thought you were implying that the coaches not naming Worley the starter already portended bad things regarding the QB position. My bad for assuming. So many on here seem to think our QB position is all gloom and doom. Again, apologies if I lumped you in with those guys.

 

[KBVol]

BS,, Worley didn't didn't even see the coverage when he threw that "BAD Throw" that North grabbed out of thin air one handedp-no less..

Was the ball catchable or not? Was the ball thrown into a pretty tight window just beyond the CB and just before the safety came over or not? I say it was. Whether or not he "saw the coverage" or not no one can truly know. It was a well-thrown ball IMO.

 

[Coug]

You must not have been around long then. Ainge was worse by far until Cut came back. Crompton was worse. Schaeffer was worse.

ALL were working with WR's that knew what they were doing. Jones has plainly said that sometimes "making a play" for a QB means throwing it away rather than trying to force it or taking a sack.

He does not have the worst arm. Probably second to Ferguson if reports about Ferguson are accurate.

You have just affirmed my point. Your hate is based on conjured "evidence" and even that is not taken in context with the condition of the WR corps last fall.

This is the stuff that bothers me. We haven't even seen Ferguson play in a game to make this assumption.

He is not accurate. My "evidence" is the stat line. Accuracy is usually judged by completion percentage and things like that. Dobbs as a true freshman vs better teams than Worley faced 59.5%. Worley vs BCS conference teams as a Junior 51.9%. He is not that accurate. He throws balls behind and over wrs heads more than any qb we have ever had. I don't hate him and think he may start. He has the most time in college and knows how to avoid turnovers better than the younger players. But he is not accurate.

And just think of how much higher Dobb's completion rate could have been with WRs that can hold on to a ball.

with injured guys, dobbs did this. and against better teams. this further supports my theory that worley and fergy are battling for the #2 spot and dobbs i think will be our starter. they already know what they have in dobbs. worley coming off the injury and doesn't like to run is servicable, but imho not a starter in this system. fergy is the wildcard. peterman is the odd man out.

This is an interesting perspective.

Let it go my friend....... the Dobbs days are over. He won't even be in the two-deep.

Racist imo.

We should know more here within 72 hours..

I hope one of them goes 21 for 22 on Saturday to take the job.

No, no we won't. We were all saying the EXACT same thing just before last years O&W game and that yielded nothing.

 

[LotteryPick]

We haven't seen Ferguson in college, but we've seen his HS footage, and he has a damn cannon.

You've either got that velocity or you don't. Ferguson does.

 

[zansdad]

BS,, Worley didn't didn't even see the coverage when he threw that "BAD Throw" that North grabbed out of thin air one handedp-no less..

North caught it one handed because the DB is holding his other arm. Had there been no holding it would have been a 2 handed catch. The ball actually was so well thrown that it hit North in his outside shoulder pad allowing him to trap it with his other hand. Not sure how much better you guys want a ball to be thrown.

 

[lexkyvol]

We haven't seen Ferguson in college, but we've seen his HS footage, and he has a damn cannon.

You've either got that velocity or you don't. Ferguson does.

lol:

 

[lexkyvol]

the only silent one is sjt. He won't address how inaccurate worley is. Instead post some emotional response that ignores the numbers. Worley is not an accurate passer. His td to int ratio is horrible against bcs conference teams. He may be the qb who will turn it over the least though. But with the other qbs gaining experience that may not be true either anymore.

thank you! I don't know where some of these folk are getting that worley is such a good passer. I mean really!

 

[lexkyvol]

A lot of people don't realize that QB's are throwing to a spot. It's the receivers job to get to that spot.

Most of the blame gets placed on the QB, when a lot of the time, it's the receivers fault.

high school qb's throw to a spot and on certain plays such as 3X3's and jump balls, but college qb's are expected to complete passes, not throw to spots.

 

[Aday25]

Since everyone is going out on a limb guessing which QB will start in the fall, even though really hard to tell right now (anything could happen from injuries to other issues) if I had to guess it will be Worley. As far as who will be his backup it'll be either Dobbs or Fergy. Peterman could surprise us and improve dramatically from now until fall. I think its Worley's race to lose, but the others are close on his tail. He doesn't have a whole lot of wiggle room at this point. My guess is if we see him start expect him to be the starter for the whole season barring some catastrophe. Butch probably regrets moving too quickly away from Worley last season. Plus you don't want your starter looking over his shoulder too much- usually that can lead to disunity and uncertainty in the huddle.

This is of course speculation. Who ever starts has my backing 100%

 

[lexkyvol]

i personally think worley does try to "play it safe" and this is what's costing him. i think him being the older qb of the group is saving him

 

[Coug]

Since everyone is going out on a limb guessing which QB will start in the fall, even though really hard to tell right now (anything could happen from injuries to other issues) if I had to guess it will be Worley. As far as who will be his backup it'll be either Dobbs or Fergy. Peterman could surprise us and improve dramatically from now until fall. I think its Worley's race to lose, but the others are close on his tail. He doesn't have a whole lot of wiggle room at this point. My guess is if we see him start expect him to be the starter for the whole season barring some catastrophe. Butch probably regrets moving too quickly away from Worley last season. Plus you don't want your starter looking over his shoulder too much- usually that can lead to disunity and uncertainty in the huddle.

This is of course speculation. Who ever starts has my backing 100%

I see Worley starting but I don't believe he's locked in indefinitely this year. I think that if he starts to waiver or isn't moving the OL Butch will swap him for one of the other 3. If they impress in live game Worley might be in real trouble at that point.

i personally think worley does try to "play it safe" and this is what's costing him. i think him being the older qb of the group is saving him

I've had this assumption in the back of my mind since Dobbs and Ferguson came onto the scene last year.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

I was listening to the Chris Treese's podcast and I've linked the 2nd hour of the 4/9/14 show below. I think Chris has been at all but 2 practices. Anyway, what they pointed out in their view was that a significant difference between Justin and Riley is Justin's ability to read his keys in the zone read. They say Justin has improved greatly and is keeping the ball if the defense is giving him the edge but he also knows when to give the ball up. Riley, on the other hand, is either having difficulty reading his keys or is unwilling to give the ball up. They say Riley is running too much and being a tough kid he isn't shy about taking a hit. Consequently, he's getting banged up a bit. They both said that Riley should be giving the ball to Jalen on the read at times he instead is keeping it himself. They also talk a lot about the improvement in Justin's passing game. If you listen, the segment kicks off with a questioner starting at 22:30 and runs for 6 minutes.

(The entire show is full of player evaluations if you're interested. I just skip through the commercials. Elsewhere in the show they are really high on the defensive front, worried about the safeties but everything else is good. They think the problem on the OLine is partly due to having Vereen & Maggitt to deal with and Vereen is blowing up who ever is put in front of him whether it's Blair or Gilliam, don't matter to him. Thomas is getting blown up as well. They expect the tackle situation to come along between now and the fall but the strength of our line will still be the inside guys. Ultimately they suggest that Vereen & Maggitt are going to be difficult for anyone to slow down. In fact they say that the entire defensive front is much faster than it was last year. They talk about Moseley a lot and Owen Williams, among others. They also say Coleman has improved a lot since last year.)

I should note that I am and have been one of the founding members of the #FreeRiley club and that ain't going to change until he goes full Peterman on us ( ) but this was a different view I thought on the status of the QB competition and coming from a former player who spends a lot of time at practice. TIFWIW.

The Chris Treece Show Hour 2 4-9-14 - Tennessee Sports Radio - Tennessee Sports Radio

 

[gunner]

North caught it one handed because the DB is holding his other arm. Had there been no holding it would have been a 2 handed catch. The ball actually was so well thrown that it hit North in his outside shoulder pad allowing him to trap it with his other hand. Not sure how much better you guys want a ball to be thrown.

Don't you know better than to confuse them with facts?

 

[Coug]

I was listening to the Chris Treese's podcast and I've linked the 2nd hour of the 4/9/14 show below. I think Chris has been at all but 2 practices. Anyway, what they pointed out in their view was that a significant difference between Justin and Riley is Justin's ability to read his keys in the zone read. They say Justin has improved greatly and is keeping the ball if the defense is giving him the edge but he also knows when to give the ball up. Riley, on the other hand, is either having difficulty reading his keys or is unwilling to give the ball up. They say Riley is running too much and being a tough kid he isn't shy about taking a hit. Consequently, he's getting banged up a bit. They both said that Riley should be giving the ball to Jalen on the read at times he instead is keeping it himself. They also talk a lot about the improvement in Justin's passing game. If you listen, the segment kicks off with a questioner starting at 22:30 and runs for 6 minutes.

(The entire show is full of player evaluations if you're interested. I just skip through the commercials. Elsewhere in the show they are really high on the defensive front, worried about the safeties but everything else is good. They think the problem on the OLine is partly due to having Vereen & Maggitt to deal with and Vereen is blowing up who ever is put in front of him whether it's Blair or Gilliam, don't matter to him. Thomas is getting blown up as well. They expect the tackle situation to come along between now and the fall but the strength of our line will still be the inside guys. Ultimately they suggest that Vereen & Maggitt are going to be difficult for anyone to slow down. In fact they say that the entire defensive front is much faster than it was last year. They talk about Moseley a lot and Owen Williams, among others. They also say Coleman has improved a lot since last year.)

I should note that I am and have been one of the founding members of the #FreeRiley club and that ain't going to change until he goes full Peterman on us ( ) but this was a different view I thought on the status of the QB competition and coming from a former player who spends a lot of time at practice. TIFWIW.

So they're basically saying that not only is Riley not ready but he's taking unnecessary risks that will probably ultimately get him injured.

 

[Fingers]

But will Worley keep it tho?

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

So they're basically saying that not only is Riley not ready but he's taking unnecessary risks that will probably ultimately get him injured.

I'm pretty sure that being a risk taker has always been a simultaneous strength and weakness for Ferguson (if you read scout evals of him in high school). If and/or when he learns the proper situations to take risks, he'll our most dangerous threat at QB.

Personally, I'd feel better about him being a risk taker if we had a proven defense. This season will be like last season in that our margin for error will be incredibly small if we want to win football games.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Coming from a Dobbs supporter, I offer the below.

Riley’s running: Hope he doesn’t get too banged up. Beyond that, I’m OK with his taking off down the field. Having a QB who can and will use his feet will be a welcome change. I’d love it if:

Opponent 1: It’s number 10. Watch him boys, guy likes to run.

Play: Sure enough Ferguson runs. 6yd gain.

Opponent 2: Darn! 4yds more and they got a 1st down. Watch him guys!

Play: Ferguson hits Helms for 6yds.

Opponent 1: Darn it. He’s being successful with this stuff. Go after him hard next play. He's sure to run again.

Play: Ferguson runs. He’s caught defense celebrates until they realize Hurd’s standing the endzone with the ball.

Opponent 2: Phork this! Hey! They’re going for a 2 point conversion. Watch Hurd, he’s going to try to bull it in. What the hayell!!?? They got 4 WRs in!!

Play: Ferguson just throws a ballistic ball into the endzone and lets his WRs decide who will catch the jump ball. 2 points.

I like a running Ferguson, Dobbs, Peterman, or Worley if he ever remembers how to.

The OL: They’re going to be dealing with guys worse than Maggit and Vereen this season. So I’m worried about this. This may be the very reason why Ferguson keeps hoofing it so much. When there’s a flood headed your way, you run - for higher ground, which means further down the field in football.

Safeties: Well, they are practicing against giants at WR so I imagine they will lose plenty of battles. Then there’s Josh Smith who seems to always get open no matter what. Then there’s the big TEs and speedy little guys.

Offhand Comment: I suspect in Young, Pickett, and Pig if he returns, we have hybrid scatbacks/slot receivers very similar to those two fast little guys that Florida had during the Myers and the early Muschamp years. Can’t recall their names at the moment but they gave people fits. They even used to block punts.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Since everyone is going out on a limb guessing which QB will start in the fall, even though really hard to tell right now (anything could happen from injuries to other issues) if I had to guess it will be Worley. As far as who will be his backup it'll be either Dobbs or Fergy. Peterman could surprise us and improve dramatically from now until fall. I think its Worley's race to lose, but the others are close on his tail. He doesn't have a whole lot of wiggle room at this point. My guess is if we see him start expect him to be the starter for the whole season barring some catastrophe. Butch probably regrets moving too quickly away from Worley last season. Plus you don't want your starter looking over his shoulder too much- usually that can lead to disunity and uncertainty in the huddle.

This is of course speculation. Who ever starts has my backing 100%

Worley won't lose his race. Here's why. The percentage of melanin in his skin cells can't be permanently altered by exposure to the sun or medical interference. At his age now, he is highly unlikely to mutate species-wise. Oh! You meant the QB race. Sorry, the English language is confusing sometimes.

 

[zansdad]

Don't you know better than to confuse them with facts?

I noticed none of the Worley haters replied to it, so I figured I was on to something.

 

[Wilson27]

Worley won't lose his race. Here's why. The percentage of melanin in his skin cells can't be permanently altered by exposure to the sun or medical interference. At his age now, he is highly unlikely to mutate species-wise. Oh! You meant the QB race. Sorry, the English language is confusing sometimes.

I never know what the hell you are talking about Woodsman but you are interesting anyway. :hi:

Maybe you should do the "most interesting alien in the world" commercial where you consume something green.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

I never know what the hell you are talking about Woodsman but you are interesting anyway. :hi:

Maybe you should do the "most interesting alien in the world" commercial where you consume something green.

Interesting idea. Will ask my pal about this. Alien commercial, eh? Hmmmm.

 

[LotteryPick]

high school qb's throw to a spot and on certain plays such as 3X3's and jump balls, but college qb's are expected to complete passes, not throw to spots.

So it's always the QB's fault. Got it.

And I don't see how it's funny that he clearly has a strong arm in his high school film. It's different, but you have it or you don't.