Recruiting Central

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#176
(Orangewhiteblood @ Dec 29 said:
If he goes to UF, I'm going to vomit.
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Get ready to hurl IMO. UF is on a roll. I've posted this before but several kids who have bypassed UT for other schools such as UF this year have given their reason for school choice as wanting to go somewhere that they could play for a national championship. It seems like last year some of our recruits thought they could do that by coming to UT. Just goes to show how much 1 bad season can wreck a program. Everyone keeps saying that our class last year will make up for what UF and UGA are doing this year but what about '08 and '09 when our '05 freshmen are gone and our division rivals are still loaded? We had better win at least 10 games next year and get another Top 5 recruiting class in '06 if we are going to remain comeptitive in the division over the next four-five years. I hope like heck that we can do it. :cross:
 
#177
#177
(VolStripes"77" @ Dec 28 said:
Anyone have a clue as to why the Vols havent hired a recievers coach yet :dunno: It just seems to me that that would give a few recieving prospects out there a warm and fuzzy when considering the Vols...
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I would hope they would hire on qualifications, and take their time and get a good one not just to please the recrutes this year.
 
#178
#178
(VolunteerHillbilly @ Dec 28 said:
Also, can wanyone explain to me why UF is having such an amazing recruiting year? I just don't get it.
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Meyer is dynamic, his offense is a player's dream, trebow vs UT w/ no receivers coach, NFL says we suck at development, last season wasn't bad, it was a horror, we have two busted up QBs, and the so-called coaching shake-up is about as exciting as Phil's stomach. :bad: . Recruits see us as we are, in disarray, denial, as liars ("RS is no longer the OC" - er, but he sat up in the press box and sent down plays :blink: ), undisciplined, coached by gluttons and generally, ummm, unattractive. :cry: :cry:
 
#179
#179
Maybe this is a topic for a new thread...given the fact that UF went 8-3, a good but not great year, it seems that the only thing motivating the great recruiting class is Meyer. If UT bit the bullet and fired CPF and hired a talented young coach, like Lane Kiffin, as head coach does anyone think it would get us a #1 recruiting class next year? I'm not advocating this just thinking out loud.
 
#180
#180
(VolunteerHillbilly @ Dec 30 said:
Maybe this is a topic for a new thread...given the fact that UF went 8-3, a good but not great year, it seems that the only thing motivating the great recruiting class is Meyer. If UT bit the bullet and fired CPF and hired a talented young coach, like Lane Kiffin, as head coach does anyone think it would get us a #1 recruiting class next year? I'm not advocating this just thinking out loud.
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Let's give it a shot. Right now, we're dead in the water. :banghead:
 
#181
#181
(VolunteerHillbilly @ Dec 30 said:
Get ready to hurl IMO. UF is on a roll. I've posted this before but several kids who have bypassed UT for other schools such as UF this year have given their reason for school choice as wanting to go somewhere that they could play for a national championship. It seems like last year some of our recruits thought they could do that by coming to UT. Just goes to show how much 1 bad season can wreck a program. Everyone keeps saying that our class last year will make up for what UF and UGA are doing this year but what about '08 and '09 when our '05 freshmen are gone and our division rivals are still loaded? We had better win at least 10 games next year and get another Top 5 recruiting class in '06 if we are going to remain comeptitive in the division over the next four-five years. I hope like heck that we can do it. :cross:
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"goes to show how much 1 bad season can wreck a program"

I don't think the word program is appropriate for that statement. This one bad year is not going to wreck the program. Has it made a dent in our recruiting for "next year" certainly, no doubt. Do you realize how bad Penn State has been the last 5 years or so? Look what they did this season. I guess those 5 bad seasons didn't wreck the program. That is just one example, but there are countless others. 1 bad season causes lots of things to happen, but wrecking the entire program is certainly not one of them. Are you a girl, because you sure are a drama queen? lol
 
#182
#182
(therickbol @ Dec 30 said:
"goes to show how much 1 bad season can wreck a program"

I don't think the word program is appropriate for that statement. This one bad year is not going to wreck the program. Has it made a dent in our recruiting for "next year" certainly, no doubt. Do you realize how bad Penn State has been the last 5 years or so? Look what they did this season. I guess those 5 bad seasons didn't wreck the program. That is just one example, but there are countless others. 1 bad season causes lots of things to happen, but wrecking the entire program is certainly not one of them. Are you a girl, because you sure are a drama queen? lol
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Are you on the UTAD payroll?
 
#183
#183
(therickbol @ Dec 30 said:
"goes to show how much 1 bad season can wreck a program"

I don't think the word program is appropriate for that statement. This one bad year is not going to wreck the program. Has it made a dent in our recruiting for "next year" certainly, no doubt. Do you realize how bad Penn State has been the last 5 years or so? Look what they did this season. I guess those 5 bad seasons didn't wreck the program. That is just one example, but there are countless others. 1 bad season causes lots of things to happen, but wrecking the entire program is certainly not one of them. Are you a girl, because you sure are a drama queen? lol
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Actually Penn State had one of their best recruiting classes in years after last year. But the Penn State situation is a little different, and I don't know if that is a fair comparison. At no point during those five years did they have the talent UT had last year. The inept offensive play is certainly not very attractive to the top tier skill players.
 
#184
#184
(Lexvol @ Dec 30 said:
Actually Penn State had one of their best recruiting classes in years after last year. But the Penn State situation is a little different, and I don't know if that is a fair comparison. At no point during those five years did they have the talent UT had last year. The inept offensive play is certainly not very attractive to the top tier skill players.
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You realize you just supported the point I made in my statement don't you? Penn State had a great recruiting class last year even though they stunk it up the year before (actually the last number of years). So, the answer is NO one bad year does not kill a program.
 
#186
#186
(therickbol @ Dec 30 said:
You realize you just supported the point I made in my statement don't you? Penn State had a great recruiting class last year even though they stunk it up the year before (actually the last number of years). So, the answer is NO one bad year does not kill a program.
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In 2000, PSU had their second losing season in 51 years going 5-7. Over the next four years they went 27-33 with their only winning season being one year at 8-4 up until this year. So I guess you are saying that you don't mind if UT has losing seasons for three of the next four years so long as we can make a BCS bowl and appear to rebound in year five? Also, the best recruiting season that Penn State has had since the 2000 season was 2004 when they had the #14 class. BTW in 2003 they had the #92 class. As usual the sheep want to get literal when it suits them. Probably a 20 year stretch of losing seasons ala Vandy would not kill the program, the program is too valuable to the university to just quit playing altogether, it would just kill the competitiveness of the program. Right now we are on the edge of seeing that happen at UT, probably not a 20 year slide but anyone who assumes that next year will be better than this year needs to take off their ora... oh nevermind. The coaches and the players are going to have to fight hard for a winning season next year. Not only are some of the teams that we consider our rivals/equals on the rise (UGA, UF, Bama) but this year we gave away the mental edge that usually helps us beat the scrubs. In 2006, everyone we play will assume that they have a legtimate chance to beat us and we probably will not see teams giving up in the 4th quarter like we have in the past. I think we probably have one more year before Meyer can really implement his scheme at UF and UGA will have a new QB. Also, SC is still building up. So on one hand I can see us winning the east. On the other hand I can see us losing to Cal, UF, UGA, USC, Bama, and LSU, which means we have to win every other game on the schedule to go 6-6 and maybe go bowling in Shreveport or Nashville this time next year.
 
#187
#187
Dude, you still haven't made the point that one bad year kills a program. Not anywhere in any of yours posts have you given evidence to support that fact. All I said is one bad year does not kill a program, and you still have yet to provided evidence of the contrary. But, kudos on all that research and that long winded answer. Next time be more constructive with your effort and find something to back up the points you are trying to make. UTK's schedule next season is much, much more condusive to UTK with every "big game" except one being at home. And, yes I do believe they will win more games next season than this season. That is in no way a far stretch. And, for you to think that "anyone who assumes that next year will be better than this year needs to take off their ora" makes you sound like the one not thinking straight. So, you are saying you honestly think next year's record will be worse than this season's record? Are you joking? A much more favorable schedule, coaching improvements, a ton of returning talent (just noticed that Smith and Sears will both be back), and the #1 recruiting class from last season has had a year to be in the weight room, on the practice field, and in the film room.
 
#189
#189
(therickbol @ Dec 31 said:
Dude, you still haven't made the point that one bad year kills a program. Not anywhere in any of yours posts have you given evidence to support that fact. All I said is one bad year does not kill a program, and you still have yet to provided evidence of the contrary. But, kudos on all that research and that long winded answer. Next time be more constructive with your effort and find something to back up the points you are trying to make. UTK's schedule next season is much, much more condusive to UTK with every "big game" except one being at home. And, yes I do believe they will win more games next season than this season. That is in no way a far stretch. And, for you to think that "anyone who assumes that next year will be better than this year needs to take off their ora" makes you sound like the one not thinking straight. So, you are saying you honestly think next year's record will be worse than this season's record? Are you joking? A much more favorable schedule, coaching improvements, a ton of returning talent (just noticed that Smith and Sears will both be back), and the #1 recruiting class from last season has had a year to be in the weight room, on the practice field, and in the film room.
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If you read my entire post you would see that I said I can see us winning the East or struggling for 6-6. That is not much unlike this year when we could easily be 9-2 going to the ole' Cap1 Bowl but instead we are where we are. Also, the "evidence" that one bad year hurts a program using the Penn State example is that they are a team that dominated in the 1990s and had only had one other losing season in 51 years up until 2000 then they bit it hard for three of the next four years before coming back into contention. To me 5 years is a long time for a program to suck.
 
#190
#190
Ric, I was supporting your point to a point, but tend to agree with VH on this one. The point that I was making was similar to his. Penn State was virtually removed from the national stage, and their years of prominence on that stage lasted much longer than the Vols last run. With the upstarts in the SEC like Richt, Meyer, Spurrier and Tuberville, UT cannot afford to exit the national stage like Penn State did a few years ago.

Bad years also take leverage away from UT to bring prospects in and change their positions ie bringing a running back in and turning him into a DB or linebacker. This is a key to recruiting success at this level.

Has anybody noticed this Quinton Hancock kid out of St. Augustine? He is a three star on Rivals, 6'2" and has 4.5 speed. He is a receiver that all the Fla schools snubbed. UT is in the hunt, but may want him to play DB.
 
#191
#191
Here is the current poll rankings. In parenthesis is the rank of each teams recruiting class 4 years ago in 2002.

2005 Rankings
1 USC (11)
2 Texas (1)
3 Penn State (21)
4 Ohio State (5)
5 Notre Dame (24)
6 Oregon (49)
7 Auburn (6)
8 Georgia (3)
9 Miami (FL) (8)
10 LSU (15)
11 West Virginia (37)
12 Virginia Tech (45)
13 Alabama (30)
14 TCU (80)
15 Louisville (59)
16 Florida (20)
17 UCLA (9)
18 Texas Tech (48)
19 Boston College (17)
20 Michigan (16)
21 Wisconsin (50)
22 Florida State (4)
23 Clemson (22)
24 Georgia Tech (63)
25 Iowa (51)
 
#192
#192
The 2002 recruiting class hasn't done UT much good. It appears that this successful recruiting has led to some lazy coaching. Also seems like CPF's recruiting + his NC have kept him around. He will need more than recruiting, and he can no longer point to 98 to succeed from here on out.
 
#193
#193
Seems the Zooker wasn't as great a recruiter as most thought...

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But as with his other classes, Zook failed to fill some key needs, signing only one linebacker who is still with the team, junior Earl Everett, and two wide receivers, Caldwell and leading receiver Chad Jackson.

"That was one of Zook's problems and one thing that recruiting rankings don't take into account. ... Just because you have a lot of all-stars doesn't mean you have a well-balanced group," said longtime national analyst Allen Wallace of Scout.com.
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#199
#199
Expect B. L. (Bin L...) to show up in Knoxville prior to J. C.. Tennessee's coaching philosophy has become too antiquated, slow, old and moldy for him to consider. And unfortunately others

NOW maybe if we come in to the 20th Century offensively next year in a strong way. There may be some consideration. Frankly, if I were him I'm not sure I would consider UT at this time. Truly a sad statement the Staff has allowed UT Football to become such an antique.
 
#200
#200
The JoePa comparisons are good, but the big difference is JoePa was willing to change his scheme and offensive philosophy in order to win. Their are no indications Fulmer is ready to take those steps. In fact, with the addition of Cutcliffe, will probably see more of the same offense.

The other problem with Fulmer is he hasn't taken all the steps necessary to right the program. The special teams coaching has been deficient for years but all indications are that the same coaches will be back next year doing the same thing.

In addition, the real achilles heel of the defense for years has been the secondary play, yet there are no indications that the secondary coach is going to be replaced.

Say what you will, Fulmer IMO has still not done enough to correct all the problems that have been building for years.
 
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