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ChattaTNVol said:
Just some thoughts -

Why would Mullen come to UT? Not money
Why would Mullen go to FL? Not Money

Why would Frost go to either place? Money

What is the single biggest obstacle to recruiting a coach at either place? Pressure

What is the single biggest qualification from an AD perspective for holding the job at either place? Salesman

I don't think Mullen wants the pressure and I have no idea if Frost can even handle the pressure of a big 6 SEC program. FL ate up and spit out Ron, Urban, Will, and now Jim. It should be easy to outrecruit a coach against FL just using the Urban saga alone. A man who won national championships for the school said I'm out of here. It wasn't because he was done with coaching. It was he was done with coaching at FL.

All this musing has me thinking if we don't get Gruden or Harbaugh, maybe our best bet is to go with Kiffin. Offer him say $3m the first year, with a $1m dollar raise for each of the two succeeding years. It's an idea and I think he can handle the pressure.

Miss State = no real pressure
UCF = no real pressure
Iowa State = no real pressure
NC State = no real pressure
Memphis = no real pressure

NFL = Pressure
USC = Pressure

It's easy to think about Mullen, Frost, Campbell, etc., doing a good job when they're in a low pressure environment. What happens when the heat gets turned up? Butch said after being here for 3 years or so it had taken 20 years off his life. We are the legions of the miserables unless we're winning and it isn't any different at Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, or LSU. Might be something to think about. I seriously doubt that's ever going to change, most definitely not anytime soon.

In this vein I would've also considered Les Miles if he wasn't already 63 years old. I figured he might be able to snag an occasional prized recruit from Louisana. Bob Stoops might have been another consideration but I think Bob, at 57 years old, probably doesn't want the pressure any more either.

Kiffin was a bad contract - that was on us
Dooley was a bad hire - that was on us
Butch cracked under the pressure - jmo

Ron - I don't know. He was only there 3 years (16-8 conf record & top 25 ranking all 3 years). I guess he was fired because he wasn't Spurrier 2.0.
Urban - cracked under the pressure
Will - never able to recruit/develop a QB
Jim - cracked under the pressure

Our next coach will likely get 3 years. Butch began losing fans in 2015, many more in 2016, and almost everyone in 2017. The first two years he got a pass because he could show improvement in a number of areas where we had been failing. The next guy isn't going to be able to point to recruiting or APR scores and such to justify his job in the early going. The perception is he will be inheriting a better situation and the expectations timeline is probably going to be shortened. jmo.
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Interesting perspective.

I would slightly disagree with the salesman qualification however. We re fixing to fire one of those. We need a football coach.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Is Hubbs correct that all he needs to do is "inform" them of what he's doing? He didn't mention a vote.
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He probably has approval. It was discussed yesterday. But the board formally approves major personnel decisions and contracts. They meet Thursday.
 
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LA Vol said:
He probably has approval. It was discussed yesterday. But the board formally approves major personnel decisions and contracts. They meet Thursday.
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How does that work with Anderson being circumvented to hire Currie?

I assume he got a "vote", therefore he would know that Currie was being hired.
 
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MetalVolunteer said:
And this ladies and gentlemen, is why TN will and has been for the last decade, a bottom feeder. Unless things drastically change, we will have to swallow and accept doing this every 4-5 years.

I just don't see us being with the Bamas, OSU, and Clemsons of the world. That's not what the powers at be cares about. And until fans just stop showing up nothing will change.
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When Tennessee has been at its best, they've had strong leaders at the top. Specifically Joe Johnson and Dickey. Dickey did not let Haslam run things to my understanding. He took his money and listened to him, but at the end of the day he did not let Haslam dictate. He's a huge problem.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Morris is a good coach, IMO.

He would be towards the bottom of my list, but he's still a pretty big upgrade. Main question would be whether he wants to be anywhere but Texas, IMO. He was getting some chatter about being a candidate for Vandy and some other better jobs than SMU back in 2013/2014, but he he wanted to be coaching in Texas. I wouldn't be surpised if he holds out for a P5 job in the state there.
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Don't see him leaving TX like you say... likely waiting for AM to open. Dream job for him I believe
 
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LA Vol said:
I'm sure Currie has the votes in his pocket. It doesn't have to be unanimous, and not all members are voting members. But I would be surprised if anybody would dissent. A majority want him gone. They'll just make it official when they decide it's time.

Hubbs is probably talking about Charlie Anderson not knowing about Currie. Charlie wanted Fulmer for AD, so they went around him and voted in Currie. To say it caused bad feelings would be an understatement.
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Oh, good, at least everyone is on the same page and we won't be letting personal squabbles continue to hobble the football program.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Interesting perspective.

I would slightly disagree with the salesman qualification however. We re fixing to fire one of those. We need a football coach.
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I agree on the football coach comment but I listened to Stricklin's presser Sunday and he stressed the sales aspect of the job. I think to a lot of administrative types football is more about money than anything else. jmo.

FWIW, Ron's post about Hubbs saying he had information from people he trusted on Sunday and then things changed is where I have been all along. I don't think anything can be trusted so I remain at 10% for Gruden which is where I've always been.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
Just some thoughts -

Why would Mullen come to UT? Not money
Why would Mullen go to FL? Not Money

Why would Frost go to either place? Money

What is the single biggest obstacle to recruiting a coach at either place? Pressure

What is the single biggest qualification from an AD perspective for holding the job at either place? Salesman

I don't think Mullen wants the pressure and I have no idea if Frost can even handle the pressure of a big 6 SEC program. FL ate up and spit out Ron, Urban, Will, and now Jim. It should be easy to outrecruit a coach against FL just using the Urban saga alone. A man who won national championships for the school said I'm out of here. It wasn't because he was done with coaching. It was he was done with coaching at FL.

All this musing has me thinking if we don't get Gruden or Harbaugh, maybe our best bet is to go with Kiffin. Offer him say $3m the first year, with a $1m dollar raise for each of the two succeeding years. It's an idea and I think he can handle the pressure.

Miss State = no real pressure
UCF = no real pressure
Iowa State = no real pressure
NC State = no real pressure
Memphis = no real pressure

NFL = Pressure
USC = Pressure

It's easy to think about Mullen, Frost, Campbell, etc., doing a good job when they're in a low pressure environment. What happens when the heat gets turned up? Butch said after being here for 3 years or so it had taken 20 years off his life. We are the legions of the miserables unless we're winning and it isn't any different at Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, or LSU. Might be something to think about. I seriously doubt that's ever going to change, most definitely not anytime soon.

In this vein I would've also considered Les Miles if he wasn't already 63 years old. I figured he might be able to snag an occasional prized recruit from Louisana. Bob Stoops might have been another consideration but I think Bob, at 57 years old, probably doesn't want the pressure any more either.

Kiffin was a bad contract - that was on us
Dooley was a bad hire - that was on us
Butch cracked under the pressure - jmo

Ron - I don't know. He was only there 3 years (16-8 conf record & top 25 ranking all 3 years). I guess he was fired because he wasn't Spurrier 2.0.
Urban - cracked under the pressure
Will - never able to recruit/develop a QB
Jim - cracked under the pressure

Our next coach will likely get 3 years. Butch began losing fans in 2015, many more in 2016, and almost everyone in 2017. The first two years he got a pass because he could show improvement in a number of areas where we had been failing. The next guy isn't going to be able to point to recruiting or APR scores and such to justify his job in the early going. The perception is he will be inheriting a better situation and the expectations timeline is probably going to be shortened. jmo.
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Made sense until Kiffin. Then stopped reading.

We are not that guy in college that would always take back that girl that cheated on him. Things are bad but we are not that guy.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
I agree on the football coach comment but I listened to Stricklin's presser Sunday and he stressed the sales aspect of the job. I think to a lot of administrative types football is more about money than anything else. jmo.

FWIW, Ron's post about Hubbs saying he had information from people he trusted on Sunday and then things changed is where I have been all along. I don't think anything can be trusted so I remain at 10% for Gruden which is where I've always been.
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I don't disagree with how it's viewed by those types. IMO the right coach won't have to sell much if his product is successful.
 
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Does anyone knows if we're gonna do some type of throwback for Homecoming? Social media account sure makes it seem that way
 
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BeecherVol said:
How does that work with Anderson being circumvented to hire Currie?

I assume he got a "vote", therefore he would know that Currie was being hired.
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I don't have all the details, and I'm not sure that's who Hubbs was referring to. It was a messy situation. The search committee (minus Charlie) recommended Currie to the board, with Dr. Davenport's endorsement. Dr. Davenport wanted Currie and she had the votes. The board needs a quorum to meet with a majority vote to carry. Not every member votes, especially when there's an unscheduled meeting called.

I don't know how the votes played out, but it wasn't unanimous. Charlie may not have been part of the vote or he could have voted no by proxy. I don't know. I remember Peyton Manning got stuck in the middle, though, and had to tell Fulmer, who thought he had the job. Not UT's finest hour, though it ended up working out well for Fulmer.
 
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volsnvikes said:
Made sense until Kiffin. Then stopped reading.

We are not that guy in college that would always take back that girl that cheated on him. Things are bad but we are not that guy.
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I checked out the poll in the FF. I didn't vote but i noticed that out of some 900 votes Kiffin has a slim lead. I considered the negatives being NCAA issues not the fact that he left for USC. I'm also figuring he's been rehabbed enough for a slim majority of our fanbase. :)
 
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BeecherVol said:
I don't disagree with how it's viewed by those types. IMO the right coach won't have to sell much if his product is successful.
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I just want a football coach. We don't need a another salesman/rah rah guy like a PJ Fleck or another Butch Jones type. You win here and I believe players will come fairly easily. Especially now with the talent in this state. Just hope we can finally get what we deserve as a fanbase. I think either Frost or Mullen are realistically about the best we can ask for. And those two are pretty darn good football coaches IMO
 
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BeecherVol said:
I don't disagree with how it's viewed by those types. IMO the right coach won't have to sell much if his product is successful.
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Do you think Beverly even considers this? I saw her on Finebaum saying Currie would tell here how many games we were supposed to win this year and I'm going - "we're in trouble here." :eek:lol:
 
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It's crazy to think UT, UF, aTm, Ole Miss, Arkansas and Auburn could all be looking for new coaches. Though Auburn would be nuts to fire Malzahn this year, and I think Arky might keep BB another year to avoid the gridlock.
 
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MIT_Beaver said:
I will not get into specifics of timing on announcements but I will say you should pay attention to some important meetings this week regarding UT.
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Athletics committee on 11/02 & several discussions on Neyland renovations and capital outlay on 11/03.

KNOXVILLE – The University of Tennessee Board of Trustees will meet Nov. 2-3 in Knoxville.

The meeting of the full board will begin at 1 p.m. EDT on Nov. 3 in the Hollingsworth Auditorium on the UT Institute of Agriculture campus. The meeting will be webcast live and archived for later viewing; a link to the webcast will be available at tennessee.edu.

Three board committees are scheduled to meet prior to the meeting of the full board. All meetings will be in Hollingsworth Auditorium. All meeting times are approximate. If a meeting ends earlier or later than expected, the next meeting will begin following a short break. Meetings are scheduled as follows:

Thursday, Nov. 2

3 p.m. – Athletics Committee

Friday, Nov. 3

8:30 a.m. – Academic Affairs and Student Success Committee and University Life Committee

10:15 a.m. – Finance and Administration Committee and Subcommittee on Efficiency and Cost Savings

Items on the full board or committee agenda include:

President’s report
UT Knoxville Chancellor Beverly Davenport’s report
Recommendation for appointment and compensation of the vice president for research, outreach and economic development
Neyland Stadium South renovations project scope and Neyland Stadium master planCampus presentations on facilities services outsourcing decisions
Report of the Audit and Compliance Committee
Naming the UT Knoxville Haslam College of Business Global Leadership Scholars Program, the UT Martin entryway garden to the sociology building, the recreation hall at the Clyde M. York 4-H Center near Crossville
Board policy affirming principles of free speech for students and faculty
Fiscal year 2017 annual flight operations report
Fiscal year 2018-2019 capital outlay and capital maintenance projects
Fiscal year 2018-19 revenue and institutionally funded projects
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ChattaTNVol said:
Do you think Beverly even considers this? I saw her on Finebaum saying Currie would tell here how many games we were supposed to win this year and I'm going - "we're in trouble here." :eek:lol:
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Really hoping she has nothing to do with this search. I'm concered that a career academic like herself at the end of the day really won't understand the importance of this hire. She should have very little say in how it unfolds.
 
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