Recruiting Forum: Football Talk XVI

[Vol knight]

It's the bare minimum.

We don't have the pieces to be a championship team yet.

 

[ACvol3]

I don't care who we hire- do u all really think our scheme will change?

No way

 

[jobiwan]

We don't have the pieces to be a championship team yet.

Didn't say we did. But will you be happy with 6 or 7 wins?

 

[BigOrangeVols]

Did Jancek and Martinez coach under Richt?!

 

[volfaninpa]

Maybe Debord will use a fullback occasionally. That will make 75% of the message board happy.

Who am I kidding? I'm reaching for anything at this point.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I don't care who we hire- do u all really think our scheme will change?

No way

Lol. Maybe that's what people were hoping for.

 

[RockyTop85]

Bro, our agenda is to score a lot of points. Based on his body of work, which is the only thing you can really base anything on, most of us are not encouraged with the potential hire.

Seemingly worse, Tennessee is a pretty hot coaching destination now, given recent recruiting and improvement. It appears we could hire an OC with more OC success, given reports.

Admittedly, none of us know enough about football to make these hires, and there are other issues (staff dynamics, position coaching, salaries, philosophy).

That being said, I'm just not impressed, and will gladly accept being wrong. Bring on the yards :hi:

My post was with respect to the kermit the frog .gif reaction to the Dobbs thing. Brice's message was taken so far out of context as to suggest that it was being done intentionally.

If some of these posts were a more like yours, it'd be a lot easier to respect people's opinion.

Nobody really seems to have any real concrete reasons for not liking the guy, but very few are willing to acknowledge that they don't know jack about hiring offensive coordinators because I guess then they'd have to moderate their whining...

I realize Lloyd Carr's tenure ended pretty badly, but just going from memory he was there a long time and they were pretty damn good when Henne and Hart were there. No idea what DeBord's role was in that.

Also, I think it's likely the guy is getting hired but Hubbs & Co. Share a lot of posters with this site. I imagine the tone is pretty similar. They may just be responding, as I am, to what they see as a myopic reaction.

 

[Nashvegas31]

I think hiring Lane Kiffin would have a better reaction than what Debord is going to get

 

[Vol knight]

Nobody thought that 3 weeks ago.

Exactly.

 

[butchna]

Did Jancek and Martinez coach under Richt?!

Both were DCs for him.

 

[Aesius]

This is a large risk, large reward hire. Wish he would of went with someone with a solid track record as a low risk, large reward.

Actually, I would argue this is the definition of a low risk, low reward hire, which is probably smart at this point.

Not sure why everyone is freaking out. The playbook remains the same. This is the definition of status quo.

This guy has also won a national championship calling plays. It's not like he will have no idea how to choose plays based on what defenses are doing, even if the scheme isn't the same as the one he used to employ.

 

[BigOrangeVols]

Just read a little and says he was recruiting coordinator at Michigan. Think he might be in some sort of role like that here with Azzanni as co or even lone OC?

 

[WallyBalls]

Maybe because Preston said he was worried about who they might hire. Obviously he's watching it. Maybe it would be enough to push him over the top if he was not impressed with the hire.

Or maybe he's been looking for a reason.

Some recruits get too squirrely at the end of the process to pin it on one thing.

Even if it would matter, I wouldn't make a hire to please a couple recruits. The vast majority of the class seems fine and/or indifferent.

The hire (Debord or otherwise) should be judged in the following years, not the next dozen days.

 

[BigOrangeVols]

Actually, I would argue this is the definition of a low risk, low reward hire, which is probably smart at this point.

Not sure why everyone is freaking out. The playbook remains the same. This is the definition of status quo.

This guy has also won a national championship calling plays. It's not like he will have no idea how to choose plays based on what defenses are doing, even if the scheme isn't the same as the one he used to employ.

My concern is he was much younger when he won a natty. He's now been out of football and almost 60. Not looking promising. Also his track record is concerning when you look at it as a whole.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

Actually, I would argue this is the definition of a low risk, low reward hire, which is probably smart at this point.

Not sure why everyone is freaking out. The playbook remains the same. This is the definition of status quo.

This guy has also won a national championship calling plays. It's not like he will have no idea how to choose plays based on what defenses are doing, even if the scheme isn't the same as the one he used to employ.

I hear ya but I'm sorry man I just cant get excited about this one. It looks pretty bad.

 

[vol81]

Unreal the shallow thinking of some on here
What do any of you really know about any of these coaches?
Do you think coach wants to fail?
Why not wait till there is something to judge the hire by. Like the OW game.
And the players reaction after interacting with the new hire.
Is that too much to ask?

 

[BigOrangeVols]

Both were DCs for him.

Well that somewhat solves that for me. Richt is consistently average at UGA. No wonder they didn't have much success.

 

[Nashvegas31]

Actually, I would argue this is the definition of a low risk, low reward hire, which is probably smart at this point.

Not sure why everyone is freaking out. The playbook remains the same. This is the definition of status quo.

This guy has also won a national championship calling plays. It's not like he will have no idea how to choose plays based on what defenses are doing, even if the scheme isn't the same as the one he used to employ.

This scheme opens up for creativity and throwing opponents off balance. Debord has never called an uptempo offense that I am aware of. Can he make the calls needed on the fly in no huddle? It's just such an odd hire besides the guy being a mentor to Butch

 

[volstopfan14]

Hiring DeBord tells me more about Butch's view for the offense than anything else. That really concerns me.

 

[Playdo]

"The night the RF turned into the FF."

 

[chavisut]

8 wins would not give me much confidence for the future. The East is there for the taking and we finally have the talent advantage against everyone in the division outside of Georgia.

Agree

 

[jobiwan]

My post was with respect to the kermit the frog .gif reaction to the Dobbs thing. Brice's message was taken so far out of context as to suggest that it was being done intentionally.

If some of these posts were a more like yours, it'd be a lot easier to respect people's opinion.

Nobody really seems to have any real concrete reasons for not liking the guy, but very few are willing to acknowledge that they don't know jack about hiring offensive coordinators because I guess then they'd have to moderate their whining...

I realize Lloyd Carr's tenure ended pretty badly, but just going from memory he was there a long time and they were pretty damn good when Henne and Hart were there. No idea what DeBord's role was in that.

Also, I think it's likely the guy is getting hired but Hubbs & Co. Share a lot of posters with this site. I imagine the tone is pretty similar. They may just be responding, as I am, to what they see as a myopic reaction.

Sorry about formatting, but here is the 07 Michigan season, with Henne, Hart, Manningham and Jake Long the notable offensive players. 9-4 w/ Debord as OC.

Notre Dame win not good, they went 3-9 that year.
Oregon and Ohio State performances very much not good.

He did beat Florida, I guess. Other than that, meh.

Date Time Opponent# Rank# Site TV Result Attendance
September 1, 2007 12:00 pm #1 (FCS) Appalachian State* #5/5 Michigan Stadium • Ann Arbor, MI BTN L 32–34 109,218
September 8, 2007 3:30 pm Oregon* Michigan Stadium • Ann Arbor, MI ABC L 7–39 109,733
September 15, 2007 3:30 pm Notre Dame* Michigan Stadium • Ann Arbor, MI (Rivalry) ABC W 38–0 111,178
September 22, 2007 3:30 pm #10/10 Penn State Michigan Stadium • Ann Arbor, MI ABC/ESPN W 14–9 111,310
September 29, 2007 12:00 pm at Northwestern Ryan Field • Evanston, IL BTN W 28–16 40,604
October 6, 2007 12:00 pm Eastern Michigan* Michigan Stadium • Ann Arbor, MI BTN W 33–22 108,415
October 13, 2007 12:00 pm #NR/24 Purduedagger Michigan Stadium • Ann Arbor, MI BTN W 48–21 110,888
October 20, 2007 8:00 pm at Illinois #24/NR Memorial Stadium • Champaign, IL ABC W 27–17 57,078
October 27, 2007 3:30 pm Minnesota #19/21 Michigan Stadium • Ann Arbor, MI (Little Brown Jug) ESPNC/ABC W 34–10 109,432
November 3, 2007 3:30 pm at Michigan State #15/14 Spartan Stadium • East Lansing, MI (Paul Bunyan Trophy) ABC/ESPN W 28–24 77,009
November 10, 2007 12:00 pm at Wisconsin #13/13 Camp Randall Stadium • Madison, WI ESPN L 21–37 82,352
November 17, 2007 12:00 pm #7/7 Ohio State #23/23 Michigan Stadium • Ann Arbor, MI (The Game) ABC L 3–14 111,941
January 1, 2008 1:00 pm vs. #9/12 Florida* Citrus Bowl • Orlando, FL (Capital One Bowl) ABC W 41–35 69,748

 

[chavisut]

I don't care who we hire- do u all really think our scheme will change?

No way

No?

 

[Vol knight]

I think I'm going to follow Mockingvol's lead and take a break from VN, at least until the meltdown is over. This is ridiculous.

 

[Aesius]

Let's not lose sight of the fact that Butch has 9 years of OC experience himself.

He's no slouch calling plays.

Maybe Butch sees what Spurrier and Malzahn are doing and wants to do it himself. Maybe Butch thought Jake's play calling cost us games last year.

Hiring DeBord makes sense if that's the case, as he's someone who can serve in that role without butting heads with Butch while also bringing a lot of other qualities to the table.