Recruiting Forum: Football Talk XVI

[WallyBalls]

Yep.

When people complained about Jancek, at least he had SEC experience and was thought pretty highly of. Azzanni was a former OC/SEC position coach. Martinez was a former SEC DC. Stripling had a high pedigree as a DL coach.

I've yet to hear a case for DeBord beyond "trust in Butch no matter what."

Come on, man. People were destroying those hires.

UGA rejects, SEC flops, Oklahoma failures, Big East wonders not ready for the SEC, etc, etc.

 

[volfaninpa]

Let's not lose sight of the fact that Butch has 9 years of OC experience himself.

He's no slouch calling plays.

Maybe Butch sees what Spurrier and Malzahn are doing and wants to do it himself. Maybe Butch thought Jake's play calling cost us games last year.

Hiring DeBord makes sense if that's the case, as he's someone who can serve in that role without butting heads with Butch while also bringing a lot of other qualities to the table.

I want to have hope, I really do. Maybe you are onto something.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Let's not lose sight of the fact that Butch has 9 years of OC experience himself.

He's no slouch calling plays.

Maybe Butch sees what Spurrier and Malzahn are doing and wants to do it himself. Maybe Butch thought Jake's play calling cost us games last year.

Hiring DeBord makes sense if that's the case, as he's someone who can serve in that role without butting heads with Butch while also bringing a lot of other qualities to the table.

Mentioned that before as well. Would not shock me at all if CBJ took over the play calling.

 

[RetardedElf]

Maybe it's crazy, but just once I would like to see UT make a hire like this where I'm not, "WTF is this guy?!" Granted I like Butch a lot thus far, especially with energy he has brought to the program, but I would like him to hire someone that has been an OC recently.

That's what I was saying yesterday. The guy hasn't been an oc in almost a decade so why jump on him so quickly especially when there's some decent names out there that run a variant of butch's offense

 

[RockyTop85]

Sorry about formatting, but here is the 07 Michigan season, with Henne, Hart, Manningham and Jake Long the notable offensive players. 9-4 w/ Debord as OC.

Notre Dame win not good, they went 3-9 that year.
Oregon and Ohio State performances very much not good.

He did beat Florida, I guess. Other than that, meh.

Date Time Opponent# Rank# Site TV Result Attendance
September 1, 2007 12:00 pm #1 (FCS) Appalachian State* #5/5 Michigan Stadium • Ann Arbor, MI BTN L 32–34 109,218
September 8, 2007 3:30 pm Oregon* Michigan Stadium • Ann Arbor, MI ABC L 7–39 109,733
September 15, 2007 3:30 pm Notre Dame* Michigan Stadium • Ann Arbor, MI (Rivalry) ABC W 38–0 111,178
September 22, 2007 3:30 pm #10/10 Penn State Michigan Stadium • Ann Arbor, MI ABC/ESPN W 14–9 111,310
September 29, 2007 12:00 pm at Northwestern Ryan Field • Evanston, IL BTN W 28–16 40,604
October 6, 2007 12:00 pm Eastern Michigan* Michigan Stadium • Ann Arbor, MI BTN W 33–22 108,415
October 13, 2007 12:00 pm #NR/24 Purduedagger Michigan Stadium • Ann Arbor, MI BTN W 48–21 110,888
October 20, 2007 8:00 pm at Illinois #24/NR Memorial Stadium • Champaign, IL ABC W 27–17 57,078
October 27, 2007 3:30 pm Minnesota #19/21 Michigan Stadium • Ann Arbor, MI (Little Brown Jug) ESPNC/ABC W 34–10 109,432
November 3, 2007 3:30 pm at Michigan State #15/14 Spartan Stadium • East Lansing, MI (Paul Bunyan Trophy) ABC/ESPN W 28–24 77,009
November 10, 2007 12:00 pm at Wisconsin #13/13 Camp Randall Stadium • Madison, WI ESPN L 21–37 82,352
November 17, 2007 12:00 pm #7/7 Ohio State #23/23 Michigan Stadium • Ann Arbor, MI (The Game) ABC L 3–14 111,941
January 1, 2008 1:00 pm vs. #9/12 Florida* Citrus Bowl • Orlando, FL (Capital One Bowl) ABC W 41–35 69,748

I was of the impression that Mike Hart held the career rushing record for UM at one point. Maybe I'm wrong about that.

 

[volstopfan14]

Come on, man. People were destroying those hires.

UGA rejects, SEC flops, Oklahoma failures, Big East wonders not ready for the SEC, etc, etc.

Did you read the post I quoted? Of course people criticized them, and even I had my doubts about some, though I was in favor of all the ones I mentioned but Janckek from the start, and I wasn't really displeased with him, just uncertain.

The point is, I've yet to hear one positive opinion of DeBord. Even if you weren't the biggest fan of the other guys, there was a case to be made for them. The most positive anyone can be right now is "trust Butch." That's scary to me.

 

[Aesius]

I want to have hope, I really do. Maybe you are onto something.

As detail oriented as Butch is, I wouldn't be surprised if he encouraged Jake to leave. There's really no way he didn't look at the outcome of the UF game and immediately see that Jake blew it.

Personally, I would love to see Butch take a more active role in the offense.

Maybe it will be offense by committee with Butch, DeBord and Z drawing up game plans and Butch calling plays. Or Z. Who knows. I just think there's a plan for this and it will make sense soon enough.

 

[volstopfan14]

Let's not lose sight of the fact that Butch has 9 years of OC experience himself.

He's no slouch calling plays.

Maybe Butch sees what Spurrier and Malzahn are doing and wants to do it himself. Maybe Butch thought Jake's play calling cost us games last year.

Hiring DeBord makes sense if that's the case, as he's someone who can serve in that role without butting heads with Butch while also bringing a lot of other qualities to the table.

This is the only scenario in which I'd be okay with this. If this is the case, I fully expect/hope Azzanni becomes co-OC or passing game coordinator in a non-playcalling role.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

That's what I was saying yesterday. The guy hasn't been an oc in almost a decade so why jump on him so quickly especially when there's some decent names out there that run a variant of butch's offense

Exactly and there's even a few really good ones who also have ties with butch. I just don't understand this one.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

Like for inserting musical theater reference into football discussion. Takes some juzunk.

Technically it was John the Baptizer, but I'll take it

 

[74volz]

Let's not lose sight of the fact that Butch has 9 years of OC experience himself.

He's no slouch calling plays.

Maybe Butch sees what Spurrier and Malzahn are doing and wants to do it himself. Maybe Butch thought Jake's play calling cost us games last year.

Hiring DeBord makes sense if that's the case, as he's someone who can serve in that role without butting heads with Butch while also bringing a lot of other qualities to the table.

That's exactly what I was thinking, too. If DeBord is the full OC then Butch would definitely be calling majority of plays. Because he knows the strength of playmakers to run his offense. We all have to remember this is the first time Butch has been away from CMB running his offense in 7-8 years, I think. He wants total control over it. And is not comfortable handing over the reins to a new OC out of his circle. Very very risky move. But so is the other. Tough spot to he in.

 

[RetardedElf]

Exactly and there's even a few really good ones who also have ties with butch. I just don't understand this one.

The only bright spot that I can think of off the top of my head regarding this hire is the long stretch from signing day to kick off just got interesting and more than likely go in the record books for being the only team in the P5 to hire our oc away from his Olympic sports duties

*Edit just say that last part out loud and let it sink in

 

[Burger]

I love reading these posts and laughing at people. You are all acting like a bunch of women. I actually like the Debord hire. He wins, he can coach the offensive line ( Jake Long, Adam Kraus ), and he is Butch's biggest mentor. The guy has used spread offenses before.

 

[BigOrangeVols]

Read the thread about Darago's* Casey Clausen tweet

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[Vol knight]

I love reading these posts and laughing at people. You are all acting like a bunch of women. I actually like the Debord hire. He wins, he can coach the offensive line ( Jake Long, Adam Kraus ), and he is Butch's biggest mentor. The guy has used spread offenses before.

-gasps- A person is praising Debord? Attack!!!

 

[RiseToTheTop]

I love reading these posts and laughing at people. You are all acting like a bunch of women. I actually like the Debord hire. He wins, he can coach the offensive line ( Jake Long, Adam Kraus ), and he is Butch's biggest mentor. The guy has used spread offenses before.

And wasn't very good while using those spread offenses.

 

[BigOrangeVols]

Butch/Tennessee staff are the only people in America whom I am assuming think this is a good hire. Let's be real here guys.

 

[Aesius]

Butch/Tennessee staff are the only people in America whom I am assuming think this is a good hire. Let's be real here guys.

And those are the only people who matter in this decision.

 

[WallyBalls]

Did you read the post I quoted? Of course people criticized them, and even I had my doubts about some, though I was in favor of all the ones I mentioned but Janckek from the start, and I wasn't really displeased with him, just uncertain.

The point is, I've yet to hear one positive opinion of DeBord. Even if you weren't the biggest fan of the other guys, there was a case to be made for them. The most positive anyone can be right now is "trust Butch." That's scary to me.

I saw it.

My main point was people were doing more than simple complaining/questioning about those hires, it was much like the wailing and gnashing of teeth we have tonight...and all with a similar amount of information (basic wiki searches).

As far as opinions about Debord, it's another reason I'm reserved. I don't know of a single football person who's opinion I trust that's made a single comment about this situation. If certain people (former coaches, former players, analysts, some writers, etc) crap all over the hire...then I'll worry.

Honestly, If someone can point out established football folks who have commented on this, I'd like to see it.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Butch/Tennessee staff are the only people in America whom I am assuming think this is a good hire. Let's be real here guys.

That's really all that matters. Isn't it?

 

[Vol knight]

Butch/Tennessee staff are the only people in America whom I am assuming think this is a good hire. Let's be real here guys.

Burger thinks it's a good hire. I judge hires after I've seen how they do, so ask me in December or next January.

 

[Ttucke11]

That's really all that matters. Isn't it?

NO! The media needs to love it so that we can be on a segment of PTI for one day, and so 1 or 2 recruits don't leave us. Blue font.

 

[pattiycake]

Read the thread about Darago's* Casey Clausen tweet

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Too funny! It took the OP 11 minutes to finally report that he now believes it to be a joke...ost-4-1090547912:

 

[pattiycake]

I love reading these posts and laughing at people. You are all acting like a bunch of women. I actually like the Debord hire. He wins, he can coach the offensive line ( Jake Long, Adam Kraus ), and he is Butch's biggest mentor. The guy has used spread offenses before.

BBM Really?? :realmad:

 

[Burger]

And wasn't very good while using those spread offenses.

Central Michigan use to be very bad before Debord came around. I mean almost worst team in the D1 bad. There's a reason Central Michigan is all up in his tree.