Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXVI

[Catbone]

Lemme armchair coach for a sec...

If I'm in Butch's shoes, I get the team and coaches together and have a heart to heart. Address the problems and concerns and tell tell the guys that each of the remaining games are now more important than ever. We need a leader(s) to step up to keep the season from spiraling out of control.

 

[SergeantVol]

Lemme armchair coach for a sec...

If I'm in Butch's shoes, I get the team and coaches together and have a heart to heart. Address the problems and concerns and tell tell the guys that each of the remaining games are now more important than ever. We need a leader(s) to step up to keep it together.

Well said. Problems are opportunities for leadership. Some of the best leaders I have served with and leaders I have developed, have been under high amounts of stress.

 

[mccrackb]

Honestly, Butch is still the guy and he's coaching for his job the rest of the season. He's coached football players his whole adult life. If and when he and his staff think that JG gives them the best chance to keep their jobs, he will play.

Until that time, all of this rhetoric about giving up the season just to placate a r-freshman QB who has shown more of a negative attitude than he has potential to be an elite QB seems really misguided, imo.

I think we'll see plenty of JG Saturday, and they'll keep bringing him along. But if this staff doesn't think they can win with him, then there is no point in playing him. If he doesn't like it, then move the hell on. We have good QBs coming in next year too. One guy is not bigger than the program.

agreed

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

If and when he and his staff think that JG gives them the best chance to keep their jobs, he will play.

What makes you trust Butch with this? Jumper, Byrd, Wiggins, Kamara, Kelly, Bituli, and the list goes on with their personnel disasters.

 

[millst987]

Calloway like, "put JG in m'fers."

 

[volfaninpa]

Remember in 2015 when the VOLS started 2-3, only to finish 9-4? I'm not saying that's what will happen. But, it could happen. Many on VN would say that this coaching staff is better overall than that one. Many on VN would say that the talent on this team is at least comparable with that one in many spots. (although there is no Derek Barnett, Josh Dobbs, or Cam Sutton). All I'm saying is that Butch does seem to have a knack for getting the team to play when they aren't expected to. Perhaps, this team can go on a run like 2015 and finish around 9-3 at the end of the regular season. If not, then enough of the staff has been changed during Butch's tenure to see that he's the one who needs to go.

 

[SergeantVol]

What makes you trust Butch with this? Jumper, Byrd, Wiggins, Kamara, Kelly, Bituli, and the list goes on with their personnel disasters.

You need to go fishing. You super mad. Get on your boat this evening, pop a PBR, and hook some big ones. You'll feel better. Promise.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

I'm as down on Butch as anyone. But you're letting that cloud your judgment. We've seen 12 pass attempts from JG. 4 were completions. There were 2-3 drops, but he had some BAD misses. And he fires every pass like it's a heat-seeking missile. When those balls deflect, you are asking for turnovers.

I'm not saying QD is leaps and bounds better, but you're acting like we know that the 2nd coming of Cam Newton is sitting on the bench...we simply don't know that, and the only evidence we have doesn't suggest that.

Im honestly not trying to sound that way. But here is what I do know for a fact: 1. Dormady isn't any good. 2. JG got better as the game went on but looked shaky at first. So did QD btw in his first game. 3. 12 attempts are not enough to know what we have with JG, but again, he got better as the game went on and showed great touch on deep balls. 4. Even if he isn't great yet at passing the football with touch, there wouldn't be much of a drop off from what QD has given us, which isn't much. 5. He can run which in itself brings more to the offense than QD is. 6. Dormady has turned the ball over 5 times so it isn't like he's a safe option anyway.

 

[McGeesPub]

Remember in 2015 when the VOLS started 2-3, only to finish 9-4? I'm not saying that's what will happen. But, it could happen. Many on VN would say that this coaching staff is better overall than that one. Many on VN would say that the talent on this team is at least comparable with that one in many spots. (although there is no Derek Barnett, Josh Dobbs, or Cam Sutton). All I'm saying is that Butch does seem to have a knack for getting the team to play when they aren't expected to. Perhaps, this team can go on a run like 2015 and finish around 9-3 at the end of the regular season. If not, then enough of the staff has been changed during Butch's tenure to see that he's the one who needs to go.

I haven't seen any evidence that the 2017 staff is better than the 2015.

 

[mccrackb]

Im honestly not trying to sound that way. But here is what I do know for a fact: 1. Dormady isn't any good. 2. JG got better as the game went on but looked shaky at first. So did QD btw in his first game. 3. 12 attempts are not enough to know what we have with JG, but again, he got better as the game went on and showed great touch on deep balls. 4. Even if he isn't great yet at passing the football with touch, there wouldn't be much of a drop off from what QD has given us, which isn't much. 5. He can run which in itself brings more to the offense than QD is. 6. Dormady has turned the ball over 5 times so it isn't like he's a safe option anyway.

You might wanna look at getting some medication.

 

[Nashvegas31]

Calloway like, "put JG in m'fers."

Came off that way. The WR crew is also all guys that came in basically in that class with JG so probably some natural allegiance there and maybe one to take advantage of.

I was pulling for Q but he is just too inconsistent as is the WR core and play calling. In that case it just makes sense to me to get JG in the games and play to your strengths of pounding the rock. We got one heck of a crew of RBs. Run the ball and pull off those screens then create stuff on that such as that neat fake screen hit Callaway on wide open slant. For all the head scratching calls Scott had he also had some Dang that's a neat call as well.

Don't rely on WRs to run perfect routes all day clearly that ain't going to happen. Simplify the playbook and go to work.

 

[LA Vol]

Hope we're not just kicking the can down the road with these players frustrated over PT. They're told to work hard and compete for PT, then when they do that, they sit and watch the guys in front of them not make plays. Talking them down only works a few times, and each time they lose trust. Finally they walk, causing drama that's an unnecessary distraction. We've been there, seen that.

I don't get the hesitation (or refusal) in putting these guys in the rotation and giving them game reps. It's not like the other players in the rotation are playing lights-out. Let 'em play against UMass and earn-- or not earn-- the chance to play more. JMO.

 

[drvenner]

Being able to run>Not being able to run. (In this offense)

And JG has already shown he has a better deep ball than QD. We aren't winning big with QD. Bama, Uga, Lsu will pick him off ALL DAY long.

Fact

I think you're a little confused on what "Fact" means. If the word "will" as in the future is in the sentence, then it almost definitely is not a fact.

That's a fact.

 

[GoBigOrangeVols]

What makes you trust Butch with this? Jumper, Byrd, Wiggins, Kamara, Kelly, Bituli, and the list goes on with their personnel disasters.

I hear ya. There are some head scratchers for sure. Jumper I'll never understand.

Byrd appears to be an elite athlete, but he's not really ever shown out in games. Josh Smith, when healthy is more reliable. Brandon Johnson has played decent enough to garner reps as well there. Byrd hasn't done enough to grab that position by the horns.

Kamara/Kelly were behind Hurd, a physical freak athlete who was on pace to be the school's all time leading rusher. Once it was clear his head got in the way of his ability, Kelly/Kamara took over. I can't really fault him much on that one.

Wiggins, time will tell.

I'm not worried about Bituli, he's a true Sophomore and is leading the team in tackles. He's going to be playing plenty.

 

[85SugarVol]

Hope we're not just kicking the can down the road with these players frustrated over PT. They're told to work hard and compete for PT, then when they do that, they sit and watch the guys in front of them not make plays. Talking them down only works a few times, and each time they lose trust. Finally they walk, causing drama that's an unnecessary distraction. We've been there, seen that.

I don't get the hesitation (or refusal) in putting these guys in the rotation and giving them game reps. It's not like the other players in the rotation are playing lights-out. Let 'em play against UMass and earn-- or not earn-- the chance to play more. JMO.

I have ZERO faith that Butch Jones will play JG & Bryd in any meaningful way.

 

[vol2002]

Remember in 2015 when the VOLS started 2-3, only to finish 9-4? I'm not saying that's what will happen. But, it could happen. Many on VN would say that this coaching staff is better overall than that one. Many on VN would say that the talent on this team is at least comparable with that one in many spots. (although there is no Derek Barnett, Josh Dobbs, or Cam Sutton). All I'm saying is that Butch does seem to have a knack for getting the team to play when they aren't expected to. Perhaps, this team can go on a run like 2015 and finish around 9-3 at the end of the regular season. If not, then enough of the staff has been changed during Butch's tenure to see that he's the one who needs to go.

I honestly think this year's team is better than that year's team and can easily finish 9-4 or better. Just need to settle down, block out the noise, and the coaches need to reassess what they are doing and put our players in the best position to win.

We can absolutely do this.

 

[millst987]

Came off that way. The WR crew is also all guys that came in basically in that class with JG so probably some natural allegiance there and maybe one to take advantage of.

I was pulling for Q but he is just too inconsistent as is the WR core and play calling. In that case it just makes sense to me to get JG in the games and play to your strengths of pounding the rock. We got one heck of a crew of RBs. Run the ball and pull off those screens then create stuff on that such as that neat fake screen hit Callaway on wide open slant. For all the head scratching calls Scott had he also had some Dang that's a neat call as well.

Don't rely on WRs to run perfect routes all day clearly that ain't going to happen. Simplify the playbook and go to work.

It sounded to me like he doesn't like Dormady at all, thinks he's a prick

 

[VolGee4]

What makes you trust Butch with this? Jumper, Byrd, Wiggins, Kamara, Kelly, Bituli, and the list goes on with their personnel disasters.

How can you put Kamara and Kelly in there together? They play the same position, and before this year, Dobbs was their QB. I could maybe understand your argument if they started playing with two footballs at one time.

 

[GoBigOrangeVols]

regarding Dormady:

we are only a John Kelly drop on the goal line from QD overcoming poor play calling, and some inexperienced mistakes, to orchestrating a double-digit fourth quarter comeback win in the Swamp.

 

[Smokey123]

I'm more worried that JG will leave than I am for this season. We aren't going to win anything of significance with Butch this season. It isn't happening. But if JG leaves then the next coach loses a potential championship level QB.

I haven't lost hope this season. We fixed it in 2015 and played Bama down to the wire. Players were playing with their hair on fire, but the players also loved Butch. Who knows if that's the case now. Maybe bringing in JG lights a fire like it did with Dobbs during the 2014 season. We have the talent on offense, we don't play any great offenses this year, The best offenses we play this year is Bama, Uga and Lsu? Lots of season left to be played, I didn't wait 8 months to give up after 3 weeks.

 

[VolGee4]

I didn't wait 8 months to give up after 3 weeks.

I keep reminding myself this. We have had to do it for 19 straight years now. Why start this year?

 

[GoBigOrangeVols]

I haven't lost hope this season. We fixed it in 2015 and played Bama down to the wire. Players were playing with their hair on fire, but the players also loved Butch. Who knows if that's the case now. Maybe bringing in JG lights a fire like it did with Dobbs during the 2014 season. We have the talent on offense, we don't play any great offenses this year, The best offenses we play this year is Bama, Uga and Lsu? Lots of season left to be played, I didn't wait 8 months to give up after 3 weeks.

Agreed on pretty much all points. Except I don't think any of the offenses we play are great. Bama looks good and UGA should be pretty decent. Outside of that, I don't see a good offense on the schedule.

 

[Smokey123]

regarding Dormady:

we are only a John Kelly drop on the goal line from QD overcoming poor play calling, and some inexperienced mistakes, to orchestrating a double-digit fourth quarter comeback win in the Swamp.

The problem is you can't just look at the score. Even if he had caught that and we went on to win, QD still would have had a poor game. The play calling outside the 10 yard line wasn't all that bad. QD was still making the same mistakes he did vs ISU and GT.

 

[millst987]

regarding Dormady:

we are only a John Kelly drop on the goal line from QD overcoming poor play calling, and some inexperienced mistakes, to orchestrating a double-digit fourth quarter comeback win in the Swamp.

Dormady made some catastrophic throws man

 

[LA Vol]

I have ZERO faith that Butch Jones will play JG & Bryd in any meaningful way.

You could be right. But we need them both.