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I have fought NHL for 3 years and two bone marrow transplants. My last was in april. I am still diabled and can hardly walk. Before this experience I never had a conversation with God. I thought only snake handling people up in the Mnts did these things. After the cancer came back the thrid time and Chemo and Radiation would not work, God told me in a weird way I can not explain but I knew it would be a German and I would be healed. the Drs at Duke told me I had no matches and I was devistated. Three days later I was called by my oncologist which stated I had threee and the best match was in Germany....I will have years of medication and follow ups. I lost my job and insurance. Long story short we are doing great despite the circumstances. Our church as really come through for us as we live 14 hours from our family. I assure you I had not been a christian before this experience. Anyone who knew me knows that. However, I have met the great healer a few weeks after my second transplant and I can assure you he is real. I am ready for the second comming as I can assure you it is much easier than what we have to deal with here. I graduated 2003 from the Civil Engineering dept at UTK. Life is what you make of it, but it is much easier to deal with the problems when you have Christ helping you through it!
 
#78
#78
BeecherVol said:
Sorry to hear that man. Death is never easy, for those that they leave behind.

Im sure if you asked her, and she was as devout as you say she was, she would say he did her a favor in a way.

I have had relatives die in the same situation as you explain, and you felt a sense of them being prepared to die, and in a lot of ways, not worry about.

Some believe that, and some don't.
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I can accept death, even painful death. It is what it is. What I find offensive is this ridiculous notion that God heals on the one hand, and he deserves a pat on the back for that half of it, but then he gets a pass for all the other people who die writhing in pain because "it's all part of the plan that we don't understand." We live in a beautiful and horrifying world in which wonderful and awful things happen, randomly, and I have no patience for the torturous logical twistings and rationalizations that it takes to present everything that happens as somehow a part of some all-powerful, all-benevolent entity's daily plan.

It's perfectly possible to have a deeply considered, theistic and religious view of the universe that doesn't just paper over all that. But that's not what most American Christians have. The most popular view of is essentially a cartoon, a Santa Claus for grownups, who lives in a cloud and does stuff for people who pray to him. If you find your car keys, it's because of God's Immanent and Omnipresent Will, but if you die of cancer, tough titty. We just don't understand the Plan.
 
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#79
CKWHITE said:
Should racist remarks be allowed on this forum? No. If I expressed joy over the declining number of blacks in America wouldn't they be offended?
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So basically what you're saying is that your religion is NOT a set of moral and philosophical principles and beliefs that you came to rationally, and can therefore debate and and defend like any other set of ideas -- and instead it's something that you were born into and have no more control over than your skin color or how tall you are? Because that's the only way it's a fair comparison.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
So basically what you're saying is that your religion is NOT a set of moral and philosophical principles and beliefs that you came to rationally, and can therefore debate and and defend like any other set of ideas -- and instead it's something that you were born into and have no more control over than your skin color or how tall you are? Because that's the only way it's a fair comparison.
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Wouldn't that mean most Christians see their faith the same way gays view their sexuality?
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#82
#82
CKWHITE said:
Should racist remarks be allowed on this forum? No. If I expressed joy over the declining number of blacks in America wouldn't they be offended?
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Just curious, other than hatvols response....what other response offended you?

Any topic posted to a discussion forum is open for discussion....& not everyone is going to share your opinion.

My two cents worth... religion & politics do not belong on a SPORTS forum anyway.
 
#83
#83
Vercingetorix said:
I can accept death, even painful death. It is what it is. What I find offensive is this ridiculous notion that God heals on the one hand, and he deserves a pat on the back for that half of it, but then he gets a pass for all the other people who die writhing in pain because "it's all part of the plan that we don't understand." We live in a beautiful and horrifying world in which wonderful and awful things happen, randomly, and I have no patience for the torturous logical twistings and rationalizations that it takes to present everything that happens as somehow a part of some all-powerful, all-benevolent entity's daily plan.

It's perfectly possible to have a deeply considered, theistic and religious view of the universe that doesn't just paper over all that. But that's not what most American Christians have. The most popular view of is essentially a cartoon, a Santa Claus for grownups, who lives in a cloud and does stuff for people who pray to him. If you find your car keys, it's because of God's Immanent and Omnipresent Will, but if you die of cancer, tough titty. We just don't understand the Plan.
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You are correct about some Christians views of God, and who is, and what he does.

But there is also the sterotype that all Christians are that way. Most of them claim to be something they are not. But all should not be viewed the same way.
 
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VOL03_NC said:
I have fought NHL for 3 years and two bone marrow transplants. My last was in april. I am still diabled and can hardly walk. Before this experience I never had a conversation with God. I thought only snake handling people up in the Mnts did these things. After the cancer came back the thrid time and Chemo and Radiation would not work, God told me in a weird way I can not explain but I knew it would be a German and I would be healed. the Drs at Duke told me I had no matches and I was devistated. Three days later I was called by my oncologist which stated I had threee and the best match was in Germany....I will have years of medication and follow ups. I lost my job and insurance. Long story short we are doing great despite the circumstances. Our church as really come through for us as we live 14 hours from our family. I assure you I had not been a christian before this experience. Anyone who knew me knows that. However, I have met the great healer a few weeks after my second transplant and I can assure you he is real. I am ready for the second comming as I can assure you it is much easier than what we have to deal with here. I graduated 2003 from the Civil Engineering dept at UTK. Life is what you make of it, but it is much easier to deal with the problems when you have Christ helping you through it!
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My aunt had Christ helping her through it too, and despite a lifetime of faith, she got to die screaming. The Lord works in mysterious ways.

EDIT: wait, you weren't even a Christian at the time of your cancer. So God heals you, a nonbeliever, and lets my aunt, a lifelong Christian die a miserable death. Explain to me why a deity that capricious -- while claiming to be all-loving, and someone who will move mountains if you just have faith -- can possibly be worthy of anybody's worship.
 
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BeecherVol said:
You are correct about some Christians views of God, and who is, and what he does.

But there is also the sterotype that all Christians are that way. Most of them claim to be something they are not. But all should not be viewed the same way.
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Obviously not. But when you see a thread started about how the future of our football team is bright because of some enthusiastic FCA meetings, I think it's a reasonable to go ahead and assume which category that belongs in.
 
#86
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I can assure you I know how painful it is. I laid in a bed for over 40 days and lost over 60 lbs of muscle. I cannot walk because I do not have enought muscle to hold me up. My last transplant was in APRIL! You must understand that the relationship was between Her and her maker. Your relationship with her is what the devil will use to seperate your relationship with your maker. I am sorry if you cannot see this. As a child walks a cliffs edge, the parents watch in horror for only they know the danger the child does not see.
I pray you the vision to see...God used my cancer experience to bring me closer to him. It is a hard and painful road, but ateast NOW i know what and where the road is.
Know this and I am done preaching, You may not have God in your life, but he will always be in yours. Read the bible and try to prove it wrong. No one in 4000years has proven the bible wrong and archololgists are proving it right everyday.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Obviously not. But when you see a thread started about how the future of our football team is bright because of some enthusiastic FCA meetings, I think it's a reasonable to go ahead and assume which category that belongs in.
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I never said it would make our football team better on the field, it doesn't work that way IMO.

But there is also nothing wrong with them doing it as well.
 
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VOL03_NC said:
Read the bible and try to prove it wrong. No one in 4000years has proven the bible wrong and archololgists are proving it right everyday.
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I commend you for your fight for your life, it is truly a wonderful thing to hear people beating terrible diseases and I hope you will continue on for many years and win the good fight.

But please, try and prove the Koran or Harry Potter wrong. You can't, because works of fiction cannot be proven either way.
 
#90
#90
Yeah, you can't prove negatives. That's why I hate when people say "well, prove God doesn't exist!!!!"

You can't. Just like you can't prove trolls don't exist.
 
#92
#92
If speaking at FCA meetings and prayer breakfasts had the first thing to do with success, Fulmer would still be the coach and working on his fourth or fifth national title.
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Damn right
 
#93
#93
Its funny how we critize what we don't believe or understand. And then try and make it fit our own terms!
 
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Oldvol75 said:
Its funny how we critize what we don't believe or understand. And then try and make it fit our own terms
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Religion is very good at this. By definition one can't possibly understand what a God wants, so religion shapes the message based on inherent human biases and agendas, then labels it divine.
 
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rjd970 said:
Religion is very good at this. By definition one can't possibly understand what a God wants, so religion shapes the message based on inherent human biases and agendas, then labels it divine.
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Definition of irony??? An atheist offering an explanation to others as to what God wants.
 
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#98
IBlvNTmWrk said:
Definition of irony??? An atheist offering an explanation to others as to what God wants.
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Huh? I said we couldn't possibly know what he wants. How can this even be misunderstood as trying to explain what he/she/it wants? I would bet I understand this concept better than most pious do.

It is, afterall, the religious that concern themselves with the specifics of sin, which name to call him, how to pray to him, or who died for what purpose.
 
#99
#99
God is very clear as to what he wants.

Religions are man made. Have nothing to do with what God wants. Too many people confuse religion with being a Christian.
 
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T-TownVol said:
God is very clear as to what he wants.

Religions are man made. Have nothing to do with what God wants. Too many people confuse religion with being a Christian.
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Christianity = Religion = man made.
Islam = Religion = man made.
Judiasm = Religion = man made.
Buddhism = Religion = man made.
Hindu = Religion = man made.
etc...etc....

All of these concepts about God make specific claims about what he wants and they are all religions. It's one thing to claim there is a creator, it is a totally different one to claim he wants us to be Christian, as opposed to anything else.
 
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