Rob Lewis expects Stokes and McRae to return...

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zansdad said:
A person might say that being unable to make your point without insulting or belittle a person is a character flaw. Or is that just a tool of management?

And Hubbs, while a good listen as I drive home on Thursday, isn't the be all and end all to college sports. Billy Donavon raved about Stokes during the summer. I'll take his opinion over Hubb's opinion.
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So can work ethic and mental toughness effect winning and losing games???


If your answer is yes I have belittled you in no way. If its a no then yes your knowledge is severely lacking.


Hopefully hubbs is incorrect about stokes work ethic but for him to say as much tells me that's an issue. He doesn't throw things out there just to see if things stick.
 
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Bruin, I'm not sure what Hubbs said, but I would be surprised by this...stokes is known as having one of the best work ethics on the team. The guy is in the gym more than anybody else, there's a lot of things you could probably criticize him for, but work ethc isn't one of them.
 
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BruinVol said:
So can work ethic and mental toughness effect winning and losing games???


If your answer is yes I have belittled you in no way. If its a no then yes your knowledge is severely lacking.


Hopefully hubbs is incorrect about stokes work ethic but for him to say as much tells me that's an issue. He doesn't throw things out there just to see if things stick.
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I'm sorry I thought you were still going on about tardiness and character flaws. I didn't realize that we were talking about work ethic and mental toughness. (way to keep moving the target)

I think that Stokes graduation and qualifying to attend college in only 3 and 1/2 years of high school speaks to work ethic. As far as mental toughness. When this last season looked to be going down the crapper, it was 2 guys that put this team on their back and made the late season run possible. Stokes and McRae. If somehow his near double-double last year is outweighed in your mind by Brent Hubbs or being late for a Econ class, I don't know that there is anything that can be said to change your mind.

Peace.
 
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BruinVol said:
Very fair point if that was the only thing but clearly its not. Hubbs stating*it'd*an issue is the biggest along with not returning from spring break, missing work outs, and now this. It's about all these issues wrapped into one not just being habitually late to class.
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The issue I have though, is I have seen no concrete evidence that Stokes didn't return from break, missed workouts, or is ever late for class. If that evidence exists outside of my knowledge, I apolgize.
 
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zansdad said:
I'm sorry I thought you were still going on about tardiness and character flaws. I didn't realize that we were talking about work ethic and mental toughness. (way to keep moving the target)

I think that Stokes graduation and qualifying to attend college in only 3 and 1/2 years of high school speaks to work ethic. As far as mental toughness. When this last season looked to be going down the crapper, it was 2 guys that put this team on their back and made the late season run possible. Stokes and McRae. If somehow his near double-double last year is outweighed in your mind by Brent Hubbs or being late for a Econ class, I don't know that there is anything that can be said to change your mind.

Peace.
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Mental toughness was brought up by you and bto regarding my previous post on golden. Do I need to quote those post so you can see I haven't moved any target??

Still haven't answered my question: does work ethic(allegedly stokes) and mental toughness(allegedly golden) effect the outcome of games???

Regarding bto's post on hubbs I was suprised to hear him say that as well. I always assumed he was a hard worker but make no mistake hubbs doesn't say things like that just for effect.
 
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zansdad said:
I'm sorry I thought you were still going on about tardiness and character flaws. I didn't realize that we were talking about work ethic and mental toughness. (way to keep moving the target)

I think that Stokes graduation and qualifying to attend college in only 3 and 1/2 years of high school speaks to work ethic. As far as mental toughness. When this last season looked to be going down the crapper, it was 2 guys that put this team on their back and made the late season run possible. Stokes and McRae. If somehow his near double-double last year is outweighed in your mind by Brent Hubbs or being late for a Econ class, I don't know that there is anything that can be said to change your mind.
Peace.[/QUOTE

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cncchris33 said:
The issue I have though, is I have seen no concrete evidence that Stokes didn't return from break, missed workouts, or is ever late for class. If that evidence exists outside of my knowledge, I apolgize.
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There is no concrete evidence. All my opinion here is based on what has been posted as being fact. If those things aren't true then my opinion changes. I have seen nothing here to suggest they aren't true.
 
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BruinVol said:
Mental toughness was brought up by you and bto regarding my previous post on golden. Do I need to quote those post so you can see I haven't moved any target??

Still haven't answered my question: does work ethic(allegedly stokes) and mental toughness(allegedly golden) effect the outcome of games???

Regarding bto's post on hubbs I was suprised to hear him say that as well. I always assumed he was a hard worker but make no mistake hubbs doesn't say things like that just for effect.
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I typed about half of a huge response and just decided it was easier to ignore your ramblings. I know better than to get sucked into your black hole of logic.

Fine, Stokes is a man beset with character flaws. Last time I checked we all were. :salute:
 
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zansdad said:
I typed about half of a huge response and just decided it was easier to ignore your ramblings. I know better than to get sucked into your black hole of logic.

Fine, Stokes is a man beset with character flaws. Last time I checked we all were. :salute:
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So still no answer to my question.


Perhaps teams don't need good work ethics and can have weakminded leaders and still achieve their full potential(extreme sarcasm). After all they are just weakminded college students that are expected to be lazy. Hell most posters were that and turned out just fine by the time they turned 28.
 
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BruinVol said:
So still no answer to my question.


Perhaps teams don't need good work ethics along with soft mentalities and still achieve their full potential(extreme sarcasm). After all they are just weakminded college students that are expected to be lazy. Hell most posters were that and turned out just fine by the time they turned 28.
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I agree with you 100%. I still really have no idea what point it is you are trying to make, but I will agree with you 100% if you will just stop quoting me.

Deal?
 
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BruinVol said:
There is no concrete evidence. All my opinion here is based on what has been posted as being fact. If those things aren't true then my opinion changes. I have seen nothing here to suggest they aren't true.
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I just think you are allowing yourself to form a negative opinion of Stokes based on nothing but internet rumor. Not really fair to the kid. There seems to be as much mounting evidence to suggest he is a high character kid with tremendous work ethic as there is to the contrary (graduating high school a semester early, shooting FTs in the wee hours of the morning following a late return flight home, routinely practicing at Pratt on his own, to name a few).
 
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cncchris33 said:
I just think you are allowing yourself to form a negative opinion of Stokes based on nothing but internet rumor. Not really fair to the kid. There seems to be as much mounting evidence to suggest he is a high character kid with tremendous work ethic as there is to the contrary (graduating high school a semester early, shooting FTs in the wee hours of the morning following a late return flight home, routinely practicing at Pratt on his own, to name a few).
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Very fair post. I haven't form a solid opinion either way. My first post on the topic just stated the more I read the more I tend to question things about the kid. I am perplexed by hubbs as I know he doesn't say things anywhere close to negative about kids very often especially unwarranted.
 
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BruinVol said:
Very fair post. I haven't form a solid opinion either way. My first post on the topic just stated the more I read the more I tend to question things about the kid. I am perplexed by hubbs as I know he doesn't say things anywhere close to negative about kids very often.
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What I find odd is Lewis covers BB, not Hubbs...Lewis has raved about stokes work ethic, but Hubbs is bashing it?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
What I find odd is Lewis covers BB, not Hubbs...Lewis has raved about stokes work ethic, but Hubbs is bashing it?
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Hubbs said on a radio interview and I took a double take because it shocked me. Hubbs isn't always right but he has never suggested something like this without a solid basis that I am aware of.
 
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BruinVol said:
Hubbs said on a radio interview and I took a double take because it shocked me. Hubbs isn't always right but he has never suggested something like this without a solid basis that I am aware of.
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Maybe he was confused by what he heard...this is the only time I've heard his work ethic questioned. And like I said, the guy who covers BB for Hubbs raves about his work ethic.
 
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Kind of hard to question his work ethic when Hubbs' group raved about Stokes shooting free throws at dark thirty after the team got back from that one road trip. (Sorry forget which game.)
 
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BruinVol said:
I hope so but I doubt it as hubbs is very careful about such issues
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So Hubbs makes one comment, and you're running with it? Toss out what the guy who actually covers the team for VQ says? Hubbs, who doesn't cover the BB team, makes one comment in passing on the radio and now all of a sudden Stokes has a bad work ethic. Forget that countless number of other reports and quotes from very well respected coaches and scouts, let's go by what a guy who covers football for VQ says...It just seems like you almost LOOK for "character flaws" in these kids.
 
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SJAVol32 said:
Uhh isn't the deadline today or later this week?
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The deadline to withdraw if you have declared is today..the deadline to declare is the 28th.

It's the dumbest thing ever, NCAA implemented the deadline to withdraw date a year ago simply for their benefit. Basically though if you stay quiet (like stokes for example) you have til the 28th to declare, that's the NBA deadline. Really why anyone would declare before the 28th is beyond me...because, if you say declared tomorrow (the 17th) and tote an ACL, you can't come back to college because you declared and didn't withdraw before the NCAA deadline (16th).
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
The deadline to withdraw if you have declared is today..the deadline to declare is the 28th.

It's the dumbest thing ever, NCAA implemented the deadline to withdraw date a year ago simply for their benefit. Basically though if you stay quiet (like stokes for example) you have til the 28th to declare, that's the NBA deadline. Really why anyone would declare before the 28th is beyond me...because, if you say declared tomorrow (the 17th) and tote an ACL, you can't come back to college because you declared and didn't withdraw before the NCAA deadline (16th).
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That's definitely the dumbest thing I've heard. If the NCAA wants to keep the players around simply implement the if you enroll in college you have have to stay 3 years rule or you can go straight from college. They already have the dumbest rules and violations that I have ever seen. I can honestly start seeing more players going overseas a year or just not attending school a year and going to the pros.
 
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