Rumors The Holly Warlick era may be coming to an end SOON.

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madtownvol said:
"How are you feeling about this Madtown? I’d love to hear your perspective. "

Thanks LadyVol1908 for asking.

Here is the quick evolution of my stance toward Coach Warlick.

I thought her initial hire was a mistake (like many here) because I felt she had defined herself as a lifelong assistant, who unlike DeMoss, never moved on to a head coaching role, despite offers.

However, CHW surprised me with how well the team played under her stead during those first 3 years. Offensively, the LVs played with more freedom and flow than they had under the last few seasons under CPS. During that run, I have no doubt they were Izzy Harrison's torn ACL from a final four and maybe more.

What has also become clear, however, is that there a was positive legacy from CPS, in terms of discipline and attention to detail, that carried over during those three strong years that meshed nicely with Holly's more forgiving, less demanding, "nice job" approach. The good habits were formed and now the kids could out and play with freedom and flair. Now, unfortunately, we have no foundation and hence, the flair attempts often fall short of success.

So, it has been a slow and steady decline since those three good years, with an occassional uptick here and there. I have been saying consistently that Holly has been burning up the goodwill from her strong start but that her recruiting classes had bought her additional some time.

I have been often brandished a "Holly lover" for that stance, but it really is just a reasoned assessment of the situation. You don't fire CPS loyal successor who had won 75% of her games and had two top tier recruiting classes coming in, even with some recent down years, without giving her what would appear to outside observers as a fair shot with her blue chip recruits. To do so, would have been a PR disaster for the University.

I thought she would have this year and next to deliver an SEC title and return the LVs back to a final four (or maybe the elite 8 at minimum). I believe the terms of her extension were consistent with the idea that she had, in effect, a two-year probationary period.

My one caveat was that if the team totally fell apart (which I did not envision at the start of the season), then a change might be made sooner. The previous 3 losses were moving in that directtion but they were just so close that I am not sure they necessarily set off a 4 alarm firm at the AD's office.
I would imagine the Alabama loss being not only an historic 4 in a row but also being one of the worst performances in the history of the program has the alarms ringing.

The nationally televised game against ND might be the make-or-break. If the LVs get embarrassed in that game, that is probably the point of no return and UT buys her out or she steps down.

My guess is that the UTAD would still like her to finish the season and then make a change (barring a miraculous turnaround) but a lot hinges on the next week.

Personally, I think a change is definitely needed. And I think it is time to look beyond the LV family and bring in a fresh approach.
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[clearing my throat] That was very heart felt and really hit home...It brought back memories of our close calls & fall shorts of final 4's since CPS...we once had so much toughness, drive & discipline on the court [most coming from the respect & mystique of CPS]...sadly enough, it no longer lingers on the court and the stands are even half filled anymore...[like CPS] I bleed ORANGE through & through...with the program in its' current state, I don't think she would be too upset of we went outside the family and brought in "new" blood...this program set the standard for women's basketball...it has to & must succeed...It's time to dust off and take flight again. LVFL 🤙✌💖
 
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Holly bleeds orange and I know she wants to do the right thing for her players and the University of Tennessee and I believe she will. I would like to see Holly finish the season out and then retire with grace and class as she deserves.
 
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LadyVol1908 said:
Sorry just haven’t seen it yet. *shrugs*
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Because you haven't seen them with a coach who can develop their games and maximize their abilities. With the right coaching, Westbrook could be the best point guard who ever played here by the time she graduates. It breaks my heart she has wasted almost half her career with this dumpster fire coaching staff...
 
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Sorry to keep kicking the same can down the road. Every class that Holly has had has done the same thing. They come in full of Vin and Vigor and after the first month on the job they fall off miserably because #1 Coaching is pretty much none existent and #2 Most teams they are now playing have seen them on tape and have adjusted to the way they play. I said from Day 1 when Holly backhandedly was given this job that she would not succeed. Now is the time to straighten this mistake and put someone in the job that knows how to coach. My Two Cents.
 
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Great post madtown, mostly because it agrees with my opinions exactly LOL. I agree that in retrospect, HW's early success was probably due to PS carryover. As soon as the program and the players became her own, HW was exposed. I find no joy in all this, it's extremely sad for a lifelong LV who by all accounts is a good person who became the Peter Principle Poster Child in her professional life.

Ironically, I think the HW experience makes it easier to go outside the PHS family for a coach if need be. We're more free to hire the best available for the situation and if that happens to be an ex-LV all the better.

I don't want to see mid-season replacement, it's too disruptive and for all her coaching faults, HW deserves better. Probably won't happen, but my dream scenario is HW announces tomorrow that she's stepping down after the season and staying on as asst AD for recruiting or something. The coaching search can begin and if there is a basketball God, the team will rally around HW, who they seem to genuinely like as a person, and have at least a semi-decent season. I don't think there's any danger this group with this staff will do enough to save HW's job but at least not make us cringe and dread games.

Whoever comes next, I want to see a real emphasis on player development. A long line of kids have deserved so much better; it's too late for most of them but I totally agree gems of potential like Westbrook and Davis are crying out for constructive coaching help. For the love of all things LV holy let's find it for them.
 
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PineyBluff Vol said:
Sorry to keep kicking the same can down the road. Every class that Holly has had has done the same thing. They come in full of Vin and Vigor and after the first month on the job they fall off miserably because #1 Coaching is pretty much none existent and #2 Most teams they are now playing have seen them on tape and have adjusted to the way they play. I said from Day 1 when Holly backhandedly was given this job that she would not succeed. Now is the time to straighten this mistake and put someone in the job that knows how to coach. My Two Cents.
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#3 reason is the weak OOC schedule. It get worse each year. They were 12-0 to start the season, but that mostly against terrible teams and an injury decimated Texas team that remains their signature win.
 
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Holly’s teams from day one have almost been unwatchable. I have said for a long time that I truly believe that most of her teams have top 10 talent, but they don’t have top 100 coaching. If you watch games closely, you can see how poorly coached they are- watch the action away from the ball. No movement, they don’t rebound well- don’t box out properly. Fundamentally, they are horrible, and that’s all coaching.
 
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Unfortunately, as far as CPF finding the best replacement for the LV basketball team, he will go cheap. He won’t pay for a quality coach! I hope I’m wrong.
 
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callingallvols said:
Unfortunately, as far as CPF finding the best replacement for the LV basketball team, he will go cheap. He won’t pay for a quality coach! I hope I’m wrong.
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With what Holly and staff are being paid we can get a competent staff that at least wins games the should and more depending on recruiting.
 
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callingallvols said:
Unfortunately, as far as CPF finding the best replacement for the LV basketball team, he will go cheap. He won’t pay for a quality coach! I hope I’m wrong.
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Have you seen what they are paying for HC and new OC in football? Hint: more than at any time in UT history.
 
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madtownvol said:
"How are you feeling about this Madtown? I’d love to hear your perspective. "

Thanks LadyVol1908 for asking.

Here is the quick evolution of my stance toward Coach Warlick.

I thought her initial hire was a mistake (like many here) because I felt she had defined herself as a lifelong assistant, who unlike DeMoss, never moved on to a head coaching role, despite offers.

However, CHW surprised me with how well the team played under her stead during those first 3 years. Offensively, the LVs played with more freedom and flow than they had under the last few seasons under CPS. During that run, I have no doubt they were Izzy Harrison's torn ACL from a final four and maybe more. I began to think I had underestimated Holly.

What has also become clear, however, is that there a was positive legacy from CPS, in terms of discipline and attention to detail, that carried over during those three strong years that meshed nicely with Holly's more forgiving, less demanding, "nice job" approach. The good habits were formed and now the kids could out and play with freedom and flair. Now, unfortunately, we have no foundation and hence, the flair attempts often fall short of success.

So, it has been a slow and steady decline since those three good years, with an occassional uptick here and there. I have been saying consistently that Holly has been burning up the goodwill from her strong start but that her recruiting classes had bought her additional some time.

I have been often brandished a "Holly lover" for that stance, but it really is just a reasoned assessment of the situation. You don't fire CPS's loyal successor who had won 75% of her games and had two top tier recruiting classes coming in, even with some recent down years, without giving her what would appear to outside observers as a fair shot with her blue chip recruits. To do so, would have been a PR disaster for the University.

I thought she would have this year and next to deliver an SEC title and return the LVs back to a final four (or maybe the elite 8 at minimum). I believe the terms of her extension were consistent with the idea that she had, in effect, a two-year probationary period.

My one caveat was that if the team totally fell apart (which I did not envision at the start of the season), then a change might be made sooner. The previous 3 losses were moving in that directtion but they were just so close that I am not sure they necessarily set off a 4 alarm fire at the AD's office.
I would imagine the Alabama loss being not only an historic 4 in a row but also being one of the worst performances in the history of the program has the alarms ringing.

The nationally televised game against ND might be the make-or-break. If the LVs get embarrassed in that game, that is probably the point of no return and UT buys her out or she steps down.

My guess is that the UTAD would still like her to finish the season and then make a change (barring a miraculous turnaround) but a lot hinges on the next week.

Personally, I think a change is definitely needed. And I think it is time to look beyond the LV family and bring in a fresh approach.
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Good post. And it was done objectively, without insults and without exaggeration. See, it can be done people.
 
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midtnvol2 said:
Have you seen what they are paying for HC and new OC in football? Hint: more than at any time in UT history.
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I understand that HC and OC got paid a ton of money. That’s the money maker in the AD, not women’s basketball. CPF will probably not pay for a quality staff for LVBB. Like I said, I really hope he does.
 
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callingallvols said:
I understand that HC and OC got paid a ton of money. That’s the money maker in the AD, not women’s basketball. CPF will probably not pay for a quality staff for LVBB. Like I said, I really hope he does.
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What LV sport do you think is responsible for branding "Tennessee Lady Vols" at a national level? CPS and the LVBB has made UT plenty of money over the years. Why do you think they brought back the Lady Vol brand after Dave Hart was dumb enough to cancel it? Because they were losing merchandise sales money and donor support.
 
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With the UT Lady Vols brand, a good coach could appear great, ala some assistant Alabama football coaches. What does that tell you about our current mess? Holly looks terrible with all this support, therefore she isn't HC material.
 
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callingallvols said:
Unfortunately, as far as CPF finding the best replacement for the LV basketball team, he will go cheap. He won’t pay for a quality coach! I hope I’m wrong.
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where do you get this info? Fulmer is paying well for top coordinators in football right now. Much more (for example) than what Georgia was willing to pay. He knows what Lady VOLS basketball means to the university. He has been our best AD in ages.
 
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JCP201 said:
where do you get this info? Fulmer is paying well for top coordinators in football right now. Much more (for example) than what Georgia was willing to pay. He knows what Lady VOLS basketball means to the university. He has been our best AD in ages.
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I hope he becomes our best AD in ages, but that remains to be seen. He's stabilised the situation and hired a real football coach. If giving Holly the extension was a temporary wait and see then he made a good move. If he's trying to keep Holly for Tennessee loyalty then he won't be a very good AD overall. Phillip has to do what is best for UT, period.
 
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JCP201 said:
where do you get this info? Fulmer is paying well for top coordinators in football right now. Much more (for example) than what Georgia was willing to pay. He knows what Lady VOLS basketball means to the university. He has been our best AD in ages.
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Let's wait and see what CPF does outside of football. How can you say best AD in ages? Outside of paying big money for football coaches, all he has done is get a secondary NCAA violation for trying to coach at football practice. Seems like he ought to know better being the best AD in ages as well as a HOF coach. Seems like he has a lot to learn. Don't put a lot of faith in his decision making abilities just yet.
 
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