Sarah Palin=Ronald Reagan

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I guess we'd rather hear silly off the cuff crap like "I'm bringing the troops home" or "I'll sit down with third world tyrannical despots" so the candidate can prove they know nothing.

How did Obama's fantasyland comments prove that he "knows" something?
 
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MontereyVol said:
1. foreign policy... not her strong suite so its a pass
2. economics... diverting all economic questions back to the oil her state produces. She could have slammed dunked this but didn't come close.
3. energy... again, her answer to about four different questions, she doesn't seem to realize Alaska is unique in its position vs. the other 49 states.
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I assme you think Biden did show his knowledge on these subjects?

Was it his views on adjusting home mortgages, man causing all of global warming, or his definition of "fair" that most impressed you?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I guess we'd rather hear silly off the cuff crap like "I'm bringing the troops home" or "I'll sit down with third world tyrannical despots" so the candidate can prove they know nothing.

How did Obama's fantasyland comments prove that he "knows" something?
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well to bring out the old argument, she is not running against Obama she is running against Biden and for McCain.

I'm not sold on Obama but he held himself better against McCain than Palin did with Biden.
 
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allvol123 said:
I assme you think Biden did show his knowledge on these subjects?

Was it his views on adjusting home mortgages, man causing all of global warming, or his definition of "fair" that most impressed you?
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None of those that you stated impressed me much but he gave me what he stands for not some run around memorized talking points. What exactly is it that impresses you about Palin, you think shes good looking, shes folksy or she gets you?
 
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rockydoc said:
What a performance! I remember the Reagan/Carter & Reagan/Mondale debates. Palin has that same ability to connect with the average "Joe" that the Gipper did. While the lawyer(Biden) was spewing his redundant attacks on Bush/Cheney past, Sarah was offering hope for the average family for the future.

Too bad she's not the head of the ticket. Don't know if the McCain can overcome the present turmoil inthe financial sector.
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You have got to be joking.

Having an ability to connect is one thing. The ability to lead is another. She isn't remotely close to being well versed enough on major issues to be the No. 2 in this country.

She's nice, attractive, intelligent, but has nowhere near the intellect level to be our president.
 
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truefan said:
You have got to be joking.

Having an ability to connect is one thing. The ability to lead is another. She isn't remotely close to being well versed enough on major issues to be the No. 2 in this country.

She's nice, attractive, intelligent, but has nowhere near the intellect level to be our president.
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but you're about to pretend that Obama has shown that he's qualified to be the #1?

That's pure silliness.
 
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KB5252 said:
Not all of her responses to the questions posed were on point I'll agree. To say that none of her responses were on point is false. I would say the majority were on point, many times she would expand on the question and take it into related points she wanted to speak about. Nothing wrong with that, she just doesn't do it as fluidly as Obama would.
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What debate were you watching. Virtually none of her answers were on point.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
but you're about to pretend that Obama has shown that he's qualified to be the #1?

That's pure silliness.
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Once again, i believe you and Allvol were leading the charge when everyone was comparing Palin to Obama that they were not even running against each other. Yet now that we are talking about her qualifications standing on their own merit and how she did against Biden you bring up Obama?
 
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truefan said:
What debate were you watching. Virtually none of her answers were on point.
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and how many of Biden's were on point but dead wrong?

I'll take right and playing to strengths over wrong and on topic all day long. In fact, it's not really close.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
but you're about to pretend that Obama has shown that he's qualified to be the #1?

That's pure silliness.
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You use the word "qualifed" as if you could actually define it in this context. As far as credentials are concerned, he is much closer to being qualified to be the No. 1 than Palin is to be No. 2.
 
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MontereyVol said:
Once again, i believe you and Allvol were leading the charge when everyone was comparing Palin to Obama that they were not even running against each other. Yet now that we are talking about her qualifications standing on their own merit and how she did against Biden you bring up Obama?
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I have never been interested in that comparison. I'm interested the presidency, not some ceremonial gig.

I bring up Obama to make the point that trying to paint Palin as unqualified while supporting Obama is some of the most irrational thinking available in this debate.

The VP, again, is ceremonial and in the gig to drum up votes, which it appears Palin will now do well. Debating VP qualifications, while ignoring those of the potential president is completely stupid, IMO.
 
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truefan said:
You use the word "qualifed" as if you could actually define it in this context. As far as credentials are concerned, he is much closer to being qualified to be the No. 1 than Palin is to be No. 2.
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How so? He was educated at an Ivy league school? Other than that maybe representing a portion of his state and voting down party lines 95% of the time (if he voted at all) for a few years?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
and how many of Biden's were on point but dead wrong?

I'll take right and playing to strengths over wrong and on topic all day long. In fact, it's not really close.
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As I said to you in another thread, it is only your OPINION his answers were wrong. I think he nailed it several times.

Face, BPV, McCain/Palin aren't going to win. I was strongly considering voting for McCain until he chose Palin as a running mate. That and the fact he has acted completely out of his former character are the reasons I am voting for Obama/Biden. Plus, I just believe they will manage this country more responsibly. Those are MHOs
 
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truefan said:
You use the word "qualifed" as if you could actually define it in this context. As far as credentials are concerned, he is much closer to being qualified to be the No. 1 than Palin is to be No. 2.
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that's ridiculous. The #2 has no function, while the #1 is absolutely functional. That alone makes any debate about #2 useless to the discussion about our potential president.

I'd rather have a good #1 and no #2, that a pathetic #1 and solid #2 (which Biden is not)
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I have never been interested in that comparison. I'm interested the presidency, not some ceremonial gig.

I bring up Obama to make the point that trying to paint Palin as unqualified while supporting Obama is some of the most irrational thinking available in this debate.

The VP, again, is ceremonial and in the gig to drum up votes, which it appears Palin will now do well. Debating VP qualifications, while ignoring those of the potential president is completely stupid, IMO.
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So you agree that Biden won since no one will be talking much about this after the weekend.

It doesn't help that Palin is running around complaining Couric was too tough on her.
 
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MontereyVol said:
None of those that you stated impressed me much but he gave me what he stands for not some run around memorized talking points. What exactly is it that impresses you about Palin, you think shes good looking, shes folksy or she gets you?
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You're sayng you watched last night and cannot figure out where Palin stands on issues?

Palin impresses me because she is almost on the verge of actually saying how uninvolved the government should be in so many of the matters it is currently involved in. She also does not come across as an elitist, unlike you.
 
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MontereyVol said:
So you agree that Biden won since no one will be talking much about this after the weekend.

It doesn't help that Palin is running around complaining Couric was too tough on her.
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I don't think Biden won. I think that's the liberal spin machine on overdrive. I think Palin made the points she wanted to make and pointed to the fact that Obama and Biden talk one game and do another.

The Couric business went away last night in front of an enormous audience.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
that's ridiculous. The #2 has no function, while the #1 is absolutely functional. That alone makes any debate about #2 useless to the discussion about our potential president.

I'd rather have a good #1 and no #2, that a pathetic #1 and solid #2 (which Biden is not)
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I do believe she said she wanted to expand the powers of the office last night more than what Cheney has now. And she also said that McCain stated she would be in charge of energy and reform in Washington.

My biggest concern is energy independence and she did everything to convince me she cannot do it.
 
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truefan said:
As I said to you in another thread, it is only your OPINION his answers were wrong. I think he nailed it several times.

Face, BPV, McCain/Palin aren't going to win. I was strongly considering voting for McCain until he chose Palin as a running mate. That and the fact he has acted completely out of his former character are the reasons I am voting for Obama/Biden. Plus, I just believe they will manage this country more responsibly. Those are MHOs
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It isn't remotely just my opinion that he's dead wrong. His strongest point, that McCain is more of the same, is absolutely dead wrong, especially regarding Iraq. Anyone pretending to have definitive timelines about Iraq is absolutely lying or stupid or both. That's the nature of the beast.

McCain / Palin might very well lose, but it's not based upon qualifications. I've said it a lot that our retarded country electing an unqualified mega-liberal based upon what he is not is the stupidest thing we can do. If it were legitimately about Obama's qualifications, it would be different, but he is Palin light with a law degree and a bunch of absurdly euroliberal talk. He's unelectable at any other point in our history, but we're actually talking about electing him today because of, again, what he is not.
 
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allvol123 said:
You're sayng you watched last night and cannot figure out where Palin stands on issues?

Palin impresses me because she is almost on the verge of actually saying how uninvolved the government should be in so many of the matters it is currently involved in. She also does not come across as an elitist, unlike you.
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Calling me an elitist for not believing someone is qualified for their position shows how idiotic your posts are.
 
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MontereyVol said:
I do believe she said she wanted to expand the powers of the office last night more than what Cheney has now. And she also said that McCain stated she would be in charge of energy and reform in Washington.

My biggest concern is energy independence and she did everything to convince me she cannot do it.
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she's not expanding the role of the office. She was simply answering a stupid question about a figurehead position.

Are you pretending that Obama knows anything about energy independence or any way to move in that direction? Hint: he believes the government is the solution to everything, which means he has a snowball's chance in hell of moving us even remotely toward that end.
 
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The healthcare issue is what Palin could have talked about more and made Biden look like an idiot, but she didn't and Biden came out ahead. She gave a single 30 second soundbite about McCain's plan and said nothing about Obama's. Biden brought up statistics and issues with the McCain tax credit for healthcare ("one hand giveth, the other taketh away" diatribe). She just let it go, and didn't say a think about Obama's. Other than her rehearsed talking points on healthcare, she had no clue as to what she was talking about or fluent enought to debate it.

If the republicans want to make an issue out of something they can win outright on, they need to bring up this socialized healthcare business Obama is peddling. Instead of saying "drill, oil, maverick, and tax break" over and over and over again, it would have been nice for her to actually know what she is talking about and tear Biden a new one on this.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I don't think Biden won. I think that's the liberal spin machine on overdrive. I think Palin made the points she wanted to make and pointed to the fact that Obama and Biden talk one game and do another.

The Couric business went away last night in front of an enormous audience.
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You honestly think Biden came off a bad debate? I know you hate the guy but nothing he did impressed you?

I just realized its in another thread but I gave props to Palin for it being her first national debate and she will connect with quite a few undecideds. Overall she had a good performance as did Biden, I am now attacking her merits.
 
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