Say it Ain't So! Willie Martinez Not Returning?

#78
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volroadwarrior said:
Also, Banks coaches the safeties and DBs overall. He also calls the defensive plays that includes the big cushions that are allowed. This could be due to the lack off talent that he has. Not saying that Martinez shouldn't go but poor secondary play is not all his fault. JMO it is a lack of talent more than anything.
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I have no knowledge about the situation. I wonder if we have too many voices in the DB room. If Martinez and Banks’s philosophies do not mesh, then maybe it is addition by subtraction. Maybe. IDK. Both may be back.
 
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utvols74 said:
If the DBs can just turn their heads around and look for the ball - that will be a complete upgrade - like going from 2.0 to 6.0.
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You know, I keep reading this on here, then I keep seeing All-Pro DBs going through the receivers' hands to break up passes without once turning their heads back toward the line.
 
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Caspian said:
People like to ridicule the idea that a bunch of fans think they know better than the coaches what needs fixing. While that's almost always true when talking about one or a few fans, don't underestimate the collective perception and insight of 100K fans. The collective has knowledge and intuition greater than any of the individuals in the collective. And sometimes even greater insight than maybe a stubborn coach that is too close to the trees to see the forest.
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There you go! VolNation has become the Borg. We’ll be a new Star Trek series. I’ll probably be the worker bee that’s the first one to get killed in the landing party.
 
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Caspian said:
People like to ridicule the idea that a bunch of fans think they know better than the coaches what needs fixing. While that's almost always true when talking about one or a few fans, don't underestimate the collective perception and insight of 100K fans. The collective has knowledge and intuition greater than any of the individuals in the collective. And sometimes even greater insight than maybe a stubborn coach that is too close to the trees to see the forest.
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That’s Deep.
 
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CPA said:
Doug Matthew's said Sunday he couldn't coach this group. He said they are just not at the talent level needed to play elite SEC teams.
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I think this is probably the right answer. You’ve got Hadden who probably could be an SEC caliber CB and that’s about it. Safety play is deplorable, other CBs are either too slow, not physical enough, and half the time too injured to be effective. Add in our issues with lack of depth/talent and injuries at LBer as well. Not a huge fan of Banks but we’ve improved every year on the defensive side and damn he’s had some hurdles in the way of it.

Heupel will give him time to get talent and prove himself one way or the other. And honestly I do have some huge issues with Banks as well even with talent issues
 
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Jimmyandjoes said:
They are taught, even in the pros, to not turn their heads. It slows you down and by the time you look back, the ball could be in the air. Watch the pro game-these are professional athletes, and they rarely turn their head. It's the very special ones who can turn their head, maintain spatial awareness, and make a play on the ball. Let's face it-most can't do that-even in the pros because receivers are generally faster than DB's and have better ball skills.
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This is complete nonsense. If you don’t get your head around in the NFL, it is an automatic PI call, and a spot foul, for face guarding. The complete inverse of what you are claiming.
 
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Sounds like a narrative made up by our fans. To my limited knowledge, there’s no connection between Raymond and Heupel/Banks
 
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VolAroundTheWorld said:
Your scheme will be dictated by the caliber of athlete you have playing the position. I think Raymond would be able to haul in more elite talent at the position. They could play press man more and if they did want to play with a cushion, more elite talent would have the speed to close, wrap up, be more physical, and maybe 🤞🏻turn their heads. We will see what CJH does. He has been pretty loyal to his staff so far and we don’t know if Coach Raymond would want to come here anyway.
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You are right it’s all athletes. Willie is not teaching these kids wrong or telling them not to turn there head around. They all know and teach the same s***.
 
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Orange&White said:
We have improved drastically since Heupel took over and I appreciate the culture he is building inside our program. You pair that with an administration that understands the significance and is supportive of the football program, it is a recipe for success.

This is not a critique, more of a concern, but I wonder if Heupel can make tough decisions about players and coaches. He seems to be married to certain people or ways. I think that will determine his long term success. I also wonder about his ability to motivate. We seem to come out flat after halftime with no adjustments.
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I’m with you on wondering if he can make those decisions. I love the guy and think he’s a great coach. But I do wonder if he can make those decisions. But then again looks at how long Mike Tomlin was to Canada. I mean it makes you scratch your head but at the same time you kind of appreciate the loyalty. Does it burn you in some ways? Absolutely. We might not have ever see Hendon play if Milton doesn’t go down against Pitt a few years back. But in other ways does it help with team building and recruiting? Maybe? I don’t know. But he does seem to be super loyal to both players and coaches.
 
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edog5573 said:
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Hometown: Knoxville, Tennessee
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Children: Jalen and Justin

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Bachelor’s – Tennessee, 1992

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2018-present, Tulane

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2023 Goodyear Cotton Bowl Classic
2020 Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl
2018 AutoNation Cure Bowl

J.J. McCleskey made an immediate impact in his first four seasons as the Green Wave’s cornerbacks coach, as he helped establish Tulane’s secondary as one of the best in the American Athletic Conference.
This past season under McCleskey’s leadership, the secondary unit finished the season ranked second in the AAC in interceptions. Defensive back Jarius Monroe led the team in interceptions, including one in the 2023 Goodyear Cotton Bowl Classic.
During the 2021 season, McCleskey’s secondary unit played a pivotal role in helping the Green Wave defense rank among the league’s Top 5 in scoring defense, interceptions and redzone defense.
Tulane’s 2020 secondary unit led The American (tied for 14th overall) in passes broken up with 42. In addition, the Green Wave’s 51 passes defended ranked second in the AAC and tied for 19th in the nation, while their nine interceptions ranked 35th nationally.
In 2019, the Green Wave’s secondary snagged 12 interceptions, which ranked tied for third in The American and 31st nationally. Four of the Green Wave’s 12 interceptions came from Larry Brooks. He led the team and ranked second in the conference and 23rd in the nation.
Thakarius Keyes was named Third Team All-AAC by Phil Steele Magazine and honorable mention by The America under McCleskey’s tutelage. Keyes was drafted in the seventh round of the 2020 NFL draft by the Kansas City Chiefs.
In 2018, Tulane’s secondary intercepted 12 passes, which ranked fourth in The American and 40th nationally. Three of the Green Wave’s 12 interceptions came from the hands of Donnie Lewis Jr.
Lewis’ three interceptions led the team and were tied for sixth-best in The American, while his 1.6 passes defended ranked fourth nationally and led the league. Following the year, Lewis earned Second Team All-AAC honors.
In April of 2019, Lewis was selected in the seventh round of the NFL Draft.
McCleskey also played a major role in enhancing the Green Wave’s recruiting efforts. After he joined the Tulane football program as an assistant coach in January 2018 he helped the Green Wave secure their best recruiting class since 2004 (247Sports.com).
McCleskey played eight years in the NFL with the New Orleans Saints and the Arizona Cardinals from 1993-00. A versatile athlete, he spent time on offense, defense and special teams in both college and professional football. Most recently, McCleskey trained and mentored athletes on and off the field through Mental Edge Sports, which he founded in 2012.
McCleskey joined the Saints in 1994 as an undrafted free agent, and played wide receiver his first season before moving to defensive back. In his career, he totaled 44 tackles, four interceptions and two fumble recoveries, contributing on defense and special teams.
A native of Knoxville, Tennessee, McCleskey attended the University of Tennessee as a walk-on athlete and was eventually elected a team captain by his teammates as a senior. He played cornerback, safety and receiver, helping lead the Volunteers to SEC Championships in 1989 and 1990 and four bowl appearances including the Cotton Bowl, Sugar Bowl and Fiesta Bowl. He holds the distinction as being the first ever Tennessee football walk-on to be named a team captain.
A resident of Louisiana for 25 years, McCleskey founded ME Sports to train and support athletes. He coached and mentored more than 70 athletes that have moved on to play at the collegiate level. He also served as head coach of the Louisiana Bootleggers 7-on-7 squad from 2015-17. He led the Bootleggers to a second-place finish at the 7-on-7 national championship in 2015 and was a part of the program’s 2014 national championship.
In 2017, McCleskey was elected into the Greater Knoxville Sports Hall of Fame.
McCleskey received his bachelor’s degree political science from Tennessee in 1992. His wife, Susan, received her MBA from the Tulane A.B. Freeman School of Business in 1993. McCleskey and his wife have two sons – Jalen and Justin.

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Dadgum, I never realized that JJ played that long in the NFL. Of course, I don't pay that close attention to it anyway. Loved watching that guy play while he was here.
 
#93
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It's not an automatic foul for face guarding. It's only a foul if you put your hands up in the face of the receiver during the catch. Just because you didn't turn your head, doesn't mean you get a penalty. Watch the games, watch how many guys actually turn their heads in the pro game. Very few.
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This is complete nonsense. If you don’t get your head around in the NFL, it is an automatic PI call, and a spot foul, for face guarding. The complete inverse of what you are claiming.
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These are professional athletes, DB's. Not everyone can turn their head, nor do. I can show you lots of plays where guys turn their heads, get twisted around and look like clowns falling all over themselves. Most players do not turn their heads and no doberman, none of these were penalties because they guy didn't turn their head.
You play the man, not the ball. If you good enough to turn and make a play, that sets you apart from most. Our guys can't do that
 

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papatomany said:
You know, I keep reading this on here, then I keep seeing All-Pro DBs going through the receivers' hands to break up passes without once turning their heads back toward the line.
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This all day. Some people on here show awareness of never playing football at any level when their constant comeback is "turn your head"
 
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Caspian said:
People like to ridicule the idea that a bunch of fans think they know better than the coaches what needs fixing. While that's almost always true when talking about one or a few fans, don't underestimate the collective perception and insight of 100K fans. The collective has knowledge and intuition greater than any of the individuals in the collective. And sometimes even greater insight than maybe a stubborn coach that is too close to the trees to see the forest.
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LOL

No.
 
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Doberman said:
This is complete nonsense. If you don’t get your head around in the NFL, it is an automatic PI call, and a spot foul, for face guarding. The complete inverse of what you are claiming.
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It is the instances when a corner is not in an advantaged position, however, where they are not supposed to be looking back.

“If you’re behind him, you don’t, because all you’re going to get to see is somebody celebrating over your shoulder because the guy is going to catch the ball,” he said. “Now, part of it is ‘why are you behind?’ ‘Why are you trailing?’ Some coverages are designed that way and others aren’t. So the ones that aren’t, you have to be on top, and that helps a little bit.
 
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I don't care what florida did, I think Raymond would be a nice hire! I have also see speculation that Huepel could promote from within if Martinez doesn't come back.
 
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