Say it Ain't So! Willie Martinez Not Returning?

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vol_in_ga said:
Zach Ragan must have read my post in the recruiting forum talk thread and repurposed it is an article. He is such trash. All opinion. No actual reporting. Who said Heupel wasn’t renewing Martinez? That could absolutely still happen. Glorified blogger.
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Yeah, his stuff is amateur. You nailed it.
 
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VolAroundTheWorld said:
Your scheme will be dictated by the caliber of athlete you have playing the position. I think Raymond would be able to haul in more elite talent at the position. They could play press man more and if they did want to play with a cushion, more elite talent would have the speed to close, wrap up, be more physical, and maybe 🤞🏻turn their heads. We will see what CJH does. He has been pretty loyal to his staff so far and we don’t know if Coach Raymond would want to come here anyway.
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Your scheme is also dictated by your identity and philosophy as a coach
 
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Volsloco said:
You are right it’s all athletes. Willie is not teaching these kids wrong or telling them not to turn there head around. They all know and teach the same s***.
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Yes, basic football for little league is finding the ball. Trying to stay with a faster WR is lack of genetics. Neither fall on the college coach, only the offer to the player.
 
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papatomany said:
You know, I keep reading this on here, then I keep seeing All-Pro DBs going through the receivers' hands to break up passes without once turning their heads back toward the line.
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Humm....and just how many All-Pro DBs has UT produced in the last 10 years? 1? 2? Meanwhile we all cringe when its more than 3rd and 7 b/c we've seen this movie 100x. Find the ball - the receiver will probably be in close proximity. Plus the likelihood of PI drops.
 
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Heupel is just gonna promote from within. Will not see an improvement on DB play because we need to improve the talent at the position first.
 
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utvols74 said:
Humm....and just how many All-Pro DBs has UT produced in the last 10 years? 1? 2? Meanwhile we all cringe when its more than 3rd and 7 b/c we've seen this movie 100x. Find the ball - the receiver will probably be in close proximity. Plus the likelihood of PI drops.
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That's ok when your facing the quarterback in zone, but that's a terrible idea in man coverage. I'm not a Martinez fan, but I also see we don't have the Jimmy's and Joes to play man, and are not really good in zone. In that instance, what do you do? Blitz and take players out of coverage or sit back and hope for a player to make a play?
 
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Jimmyandjoes said:
That's ok when your facing the quarterback in zone, but that's a terrible idea in man coverage. I'm not a Martinez fan, but I also see we don't have the Jimmy's and Joes to play man, and are not really good in zone. In that instance, what do you do? Blitz and take players out of coverage or sit back and hope for a player to make a play?
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I don’t know the answer to this but I know it hasn’t been fixed in three years of trying.
 
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FollowTheLeader said:
So, let me see if I understand this correctly. Florida fired Raymond because his position group didn't show enough improvement or development of players. So we fire Martinez and then hire someone that was fired. Ok....that is literally the most ignorant thing I've seen on this board and it's some ignorant crap posted daily.

There's just no hope for some of this fanbase.....😔
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Not that long ago, Raymond was considered THE best DB coach in the NCAA. AND and elite recruiter. His LSU groups were elite and filled with NFL level talent. We don't really know what the reasoning was for his ouster at UF. Something tells me there's is more to this story. UF DB's were light years better than ours, IMO.
 
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Is the author a VolNation poster?

"There are rumblings..." Says who?
"...would be a home run replacement for Martinez" Again, says who?
"...Georgia might also be interested in hiring Raymond" Again, says who?

This is not a credible source for any information, just one man's opinion.
 
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jeff1vol said:
Not that long ago, Raymond was considered THE best DB coach in the NCAA. AND and elite recruiter. His LSU groups were elite and filled with NFL level talent. We don't really know what the reasoning was for his ouster at UF. Something tells me there's is more to this story. UF DB's were light years better than ours, IMO.
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I think sunbelt billy is in panic mode and needed to fire some people to save him for another year
 
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jeff1vol said:
Not that long ago, Raymond was considered THE best DB coach in the NCAA. AND and elite recruiter. His LSU groups were elite and filled with NFL level talent. We don't really know what the reasoning was for his ouster at UF. Something tells me there's is more to this story. UF DB's were light years better than ours, IMO.
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So great players make coaches look great.
 
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volroadwarrior said:
Also, Banks coaches the safeties and DBs overall. He also calls the defensive plays that includes the big cushions that are allowed. This could be due to the lack off talent that he has. Not saying that Martinez shouldn't go but poor secondary play is not all his fault. JMO it is a lack of talent more than anything.
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yeah, there is such an issues concerning our secondary. when you're 8yrd off a receiver and then move back 8-10 more yard before the snap, it makes it hard to defend.
 
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Caspian said:
People like to ridicule the idea that a bunch of fans think they know better than the coaches what needs fixing. While that's almost always true when talking about one or a few fans, don't underestimate the collective perception and insight of 100K fans. The collective has knowledge and intuition greater than any of the individuals in the collective. And sometimes even greater insight than maybe a stubborn coach that is too close to the trees to see the forest.
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Your collective idea has merit, assuming the collective has the same knowledge as the individual/s making the decision. However, when the possession of knowledge and facts are not equal, then the individual/s charged with making decisions will undoubtedly make a better decision than the ignorant masses. They likely cant make as much noise, as the bleating masses trumpet their notions from every hill and valley, however their decisions will likely be much more accurate.


The above assumes the goals of the masses are aligned with the individual/s charged with making the decisions are the same or atbleadt similar.

Football fans and social media are the epitome of how loud the uninformed masses can be.
 
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Majors said:
Yes, basic football for little league is finding the ball. Trying to stay with a faster WR is lack of genetics. Neither fall on the college coach, only the offer to the player.
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Ya know, I get not looking for the ball from the jump. But if you can tell the WR is obviously acting like the ball is in the air, he's not going to adjust his route on you for turning around.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Heupel isn’t firing Banks for sure so it doesn’t matter.
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You and I have both seen things play out long enough that some coaches like some players agree to move on for mutual interest.

I suspect Heupel still thinks Banks can get it done with the right kinds of players. I just hope there is someone who can talk to him if that represents a blind spot or undue loyalty.

IMHO, the thing that sank Fulmer more than anything else was that he extended "loyalty" without getting performance in return.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Yep. Specifically, the blue hairs. If they'd just die off already, UT would reach UGA heights overnight. Just need more and louder yelling to be champions. Just ask aTm. They've got tremendous yells.
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More woooo during rocky top and more alternative unis will fix it all!
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
Your collective idea has merit, assuming the collective has the same knowledge as the individual/s making the decision. However, when the possession of knowledge and facts are not equal, then the individual/s charged with making decisions will undoubtedly make a better decision than the ignorant masses. They likely cant make as much noise, as the bleating masses trumpet their notions from every hill and valley, however their decisions will likely be much more accurate.


The above assumes the goals of the masses are aligned with the individual/s charged with making the decisions are the same or atbleadt similar.

Football fans and social media are the epitome of how loud the uninformed masses can be.
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That's a very good post. We can see results but we cannot always see the details needed to make some of these decisions. My honest opinion is that Banks is underperforming just based on the results produced. Heupel however has a far better understanding of the details and mechanics than any of us.
 
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aRmo said:
Heupel is just gonna promote from within. Will not see an improvement on DB play because we need to improve the talent at the position first.
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Teams with much less talent do better. UT was 10th vs the SEC in pass D. They have as much or more talent in the secondary than UK, MSU, OM, Auburn, Arkansas, and Mizzou.
 
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Defense was frustrating cause we got some talented young defensive backs who rode the bench most of the year while Banks and Martinez were trotting walk on upperclassmen out at Nickel.

Technique has been a consistent issue with Martinez and Banks but another issue has been their extreme preference for seniority and experience over talent. Its out of balance imo. Sure, you have to mitigate risk of busted coverage but if a guy isn't fast enough or has poor tackling technique it doesn't matter how well he knows the scheme.

Ricky Gibson III's talent absolutely merited more playing time. Dee William's had some of the best ball skills and physical characteristics on either side of the ball, but couldn't see the field I guess because he couldn't master the scheme after three years in the program. Beyond playcalling, stuff like that really grinds my gears because it suggests that we have some poor teachers and poor talent evaluators on the staff on the defensive side of the ball.
 
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