Senators set to vote on bill to codify Supreme Court’s same-sex marriage protections

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RockyTop85 said:
Yeah speed limits and prohibiting other people from getting married to who they want are basically the same thing.
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It depends on the morality of the country...still slaves in Africa because of government so that's ok too right.. morally for them..not us
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Yeah speed limits and prohibiting other people from getting married to who they want are basically the same thing.
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If they want a civil union so they can frame a piece of paper and hang it over their cat scratching post, go right ahead but they should not receive the same benefits as male/female marriages.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Yep, the threat of getting blasted with a fire hose is just an incentive to use the right water fountain. I saw it on TikTok.
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No one is making that argument but you. I find it entertaining you guys cannot debate this issue without creating immaculate strawmen.
 
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volgr said:
No one is making that argument but you. I find it entertaining you guys cannot debate this issue without creating immaculate strawmen.
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Look, if you don’t want to be tarred with your own words, think first. Don’t come back now and act like you didn’t just say blacks were better off because the government forced them to be second class citizens.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Take away all tax breaks for all marriages and do away with the insurance breaks as well and then we will agree.
Treat all people equally and stop peaking through the windows to see what they do when you should not be looking
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The insurance breaks are there for a reason and should stay if we want the free market to apply.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Look, if you don’t want to be tarred with your own words, think first. Don’t come back now and act like you didn’t just say blacks were better off because the government forced them to be second class citizens.
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I didn' say that, you are incorrectly and intentionally making sh!t up. Quote me directly, coward.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
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Don’t know much about human rights watch, seems a bit slanted, but can’t see a reason why they would under-represent this list. So, this is apparently a map of nations with laws against same-sex relations (red) and gender expression (blue).

I think people can decide for themselves whether there is a positive correlation to “healthy well-functioning societies.”

Source: #OUTLAWED: “The love that dare not speak its name”
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I'm surprised China's not red. Otherwise it looks like a map of former British and French colonies, many of which have kept pre-independence laws on the books. It would be good to see a map where such laws are enforced.
 
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volgr said:
Yet, even with that impediment of freedom for all, black society was much stronger and healtheir than it is today. Thanks for proving my point.
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Here is the actual quote, since RT85 is too cowardly to make a legitimate argument. He does this in every thread. Once cornered, he resorts to rewriting and misinterpreting posts. I have not claimed blacks were better off BECAUSE gov't forced them into being second class citizens. I said even with that impediment of freedom, black society was healthier and stronger than it is today. In context, this was after my claim US society was healthier and stronger 50-70 years ago vs today, to which he post a pic of a black and white water fountain.
 
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EasternVol said:
I'm surprised China's not red. Otherwise it looks like a map of former British and French colonies, many of which have kept pre-independence laws on the books. It would be good to see a map where such laws are enforced.
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There was a claim being made that normalization of same-sex partnerships was destructive and was a level of freedom that was incompatible with healthy, well-functioning societies.

My view is not that those represented countries are universally less healthy, but that there are a lot of healthy societies where homosexuality is tolerated.
 
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volgr said:
Here is the actual quote, since RT85 is too cowardly to make a legitimate argument. He does this in every thread. Once cornered, he resorts to rewriting and misinterpreting posts. I have not claimed blacks were better off BECAUSE gov't forced them into being second class citizens. I said even with that impediment of freedom, black society was healthier and stronger than it is today. In context, this was after my claim US society was healthier and stronger 50-70 years ago vs today, to which he post a pic of a black and white water fountain.
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Lolol.

“Let me quote this one post out of context and then try to rewrite the context so it doesn’t seem as bad.”

I mean good on you for being embarrassed enough to try this hard to claw it back, but the whole conversation is there for people to read.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
There was a claim being made that normalization of same-sex partnerships was destructive and was a level of freedom that was incompatible with healthy, well-functioning societies.

My view is not that those represented countries are universally less healthy, but that there are a lot of healthy societies where homosexuality is tolerated.
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I understand that.
My point is that a lot of former colonies haven't gotten around to rewriting their penalty codes and just enforce what they want. So the map is not a good indication of where gays are persecuted.
 
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EasternVol said:
I understand that.
My point is that a lot of former colonies haven't gotten around to rewriting their penalty codes and just enforce what they want. So the map is not a good indication of where gays are persecuted.
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Okay. I don’t have enough knowledge to have a strong opinion about whether that’s correct or not.

But, I don’t think the possibility that some of the marked countries are more tolerant than the map makes them appear renders the map less useful for evaluating whether there is a positive correlation between intolerance and healthy societies.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Okay. I don’t have enough knowledge to have a strong opinion about whether that’s correct or not.

But, I don’t think the possibility that some of the marked countries are more tolerant than the map makes them appear renders the map less useful for evaluating whether there is a positive correlation between intolerance and healthy societies.
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Not trying to be pedantic but it's more a map of countries with bad government, as most ex-colonies tend to have. What are your criteria for a healthy society? education, treatment of and opportunities for women and minorities, support of the less fortunate, cordial and honest people...?
 
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