Serious QB discussion

#276
#276
VolFreakJosh said:
5-1 with Milton at QB.

He’s done exactly what the coaches have told him to do.

You think Heupel forgot how to coach QBs?

Maybe he’s not as bad as you’re implying.
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I highly doubt his play today was “what the coaches have told him to do”. He plays soft, although I’ll say he changed that the second half. I’m sure him team enjoyed seeing him sell out, especially the defense. Things like that matter in team sports. He makes freshmen mistakes as a 6th year player….decision making is non existent. Example- pulling up short on the 3rd down early. We are where we are. I’m not saying there’s a fix. I trust that we’re playing our best chance to win, although unfortunate. I never said I had a fix. Some of you just have a problem with others being realistic.
 
#281
#281
SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Coaches aren't infallible.

Halzle has about 15 years of mostly QB experience at the D1 level.
Heupel has about 20 years of mostly QB experience at the D1 level.
You have.......a voice on a forum.

Can you tell me how to subscribe to your college football newsletter? I'd like to glean more of your vast experience judging football. Thanks.
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Wow, that argument has never before been advanced on this forum. You put some deep thought into it.

If you dedicated yourself to it for weeks you couldn’t have posted anything more vapid and meaningless.

See if you can follow, try really hard here: we have employed other coaches in the past who had vastly more experience than I do coaching football…And yet, somehow, mysteriously, it came to me from the ether, this preternatural premonition that maybe, just perhaps, because I have two eyes and a brain and have watched really good teams coached by really good coaches, I might have the ability to distinguish between good coaching decisions and stupid ones, or good coaches and mediocre ones. Some on here like you mocked those of us who first dared to suggest Derek Dooley might not be a great coach; then you mocked us again when we said the same about Butch Jones, and you did it again when we said it about Jeremy Pruitt. Because all those guys had way more coaching experience than I and the other detractors had, so if course it was impossible that we might be right in judging them incompetent.

Heupel has done some things the three before him didn’t; he has also made some poor decisions, and is making one right now that his immediate predecessor also made.
 
#282
#282
what I can’t understand is why Milton isn’t running more. To me the offense has always been run first, box read 5 auto run, but there are many instances when running on 6 has to happen. Hooker used to save us in those situations with the zone read stuff and it also helped load the box, but it seems like that’s not happening much with Joe.

also let Dee Williams spin on offense
 
#284
#284
EastTNVol6240 said:
Had our defense not bailed him out tonight he would’ve lost the game against a very mediocre team. Keep making that excuse. I’ll be here next week when the outcome changes. What will your excuse be then? Learn to football.
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You need to “learn ball”. The game is comprised of three phases, and our special teams scored as many TD’s as our O, yet they are not responsible for “bailing out Joe Milton”. You see, the thought that any phase of our team bailed out a single contributor shows your comprehension. Our D is relentless, re-establishing the line of scrimmage two yards deep in our opponents backfield (disrupters they are)! There was no bailing out tonight, rather “balling out”. People need to enjoy the ride, this team is growing, and are currently 5-1. I actually think we match up well against bama, and am looking forward to this one.
Today was a team win, big time
 
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#285
#285
lifeisdeep said:
Wow, that argument has never before been advanced on this forum. You put some deep thought into it.

If you dedicated yourself to it for weeks you couldn’t have posted anything more vapid and meaningless.

See if you can follow, try really hard here: we have employed other coaches in the past who had vastly more experience than I do coaching football…And yet, somehow, mysteriously, it came to me from the ether, this preternatural premonition that maybe, just perhaps, because I have two eyes and a brain and have watched really good teams coached by really good coaches, I might have the ability to distinguish between good coaching decisions and stupid ones, or good coaches and mediocre ones. Some on here like you mocked those of us who first dared to suggest Derek Dooley might not be a great coach; then you mocked us again when we said the same about Butch Jones, and you did it again when we said it about Jeremy Pruitt. Because all those guys had way more coaching experience than I and the other detractors had, so if course it was impossible that we might be right in judging them incompetent.

Heupel has done some things the three before him didn’t; he has also made some poor decisions, and is making one right now that his immediate predecessor also made.
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I don't see you mentioning your coaching experience or how you acquired your ability to analyze QBs without being able to attend the practices like the coaches.

I'll wait for that.
 
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#286
#286
BigOrangeTrain said:
Lol. You need to think better. Milton is a 6th year SR who has been in this system for 3 years and he sucks. Sorry but it’s the truth. Don’t give me the 5-1 because a QBs starting record is a BS statistic. Which game have we specifically won that Joe was the main factor in? Remember last year? Bama? LSU? UF? Hooker was the main component.

You probably are one of those fans that think on Tee Martin won us the NC or Clausen beat UF twice on the road. Get out of here. Just like Martin and Clausen we are winning in spite of the QB.

Next year Nico is the starter. Behind him is who? Moore and Merklinger? Nico needs experience. He should have had plenty by now. Fire Heupel? No freakin way. I love Heupel. But I wish he would play Nico. Also, how do you know Nico wouldn’t come in and spark this passing game? He could.
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Nailed it
 
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#287
#287
snappervol said:
You need to “learn ball”. The game is comprised of three phases, and our special teams scored as many TD’s as our O, yet they are not responsible for “bailing out Joe Milton”. You see, the thought that any phase of our team bailed out a single contributor shows your comprehension. Our D is relentless, re-establishing the line of scrimmage two yards deep in our opponents backfield (disrupters they are)! There was no bailing out tonight, rather “balling out”. People need to enjoy the ride, this team is growing, and are currently 5-1. I actually think we match up well against bama, and am looking forward to this one.
Today was a team win, big time
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Since you “know ball”, please tell me what happens when one of those three phases continues to lag behind? It catches up with you eventually. We’re in the stretch of our schedule where that happens. But I’m sure you already knew that.
 
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#288
SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I don't see you mentioning your coaching experience or how you acquired your ability to analyze QBs without being able to attend the practices like the coaches.

I'll wait for that.
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Nonsense repeated doesn’t suddenly become wisdom.

Trick question: does one have to be a trained actor to tell the difference between Al Pacino’s acting ability and Arnold Schwarzenegger’s?

Here’s another one for you: if you need heart surgery, do you have to hire a heart surgeon to tell you the difference between two other surgeons you’re considering hiring?

Trick question number three: do you have to be a trained educator to know the difference between a good teacher and a worthless one?

Welcome to the list.
 
#289
#289
lifeisdeep said:
Nonsense repeated doesn’t suddenly become wisdom.

Trick question: does one have to be a trained actor to tell the difference between Al Pacino’s acting ability and Arnold Schwarzenegger’s?

Here’s another one for you: if you need heart surgery, do you have to hire a heart surgeon to tell you the difference between two other surgeons you’re considering hiring?

Trick question number three: do you have to be a trained educator to know the difference between a good teacher and a worthless one?

Welcome to the list.
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So you want Heupel gone? Is that the gist of this? Because he's not "meeting your expectations" for choosing a QB, you've deduced after a couple of years of taking over a dumpster fire, he's not picked a good QB........ so he looks like the previous bad coaches.

Tell me who is a good coach in your eyes.
 
#293
#293
Johnnyreb#VFL said:
As soon as I said Milton is such a soft runner, he sure enough made a couple big runs and plowed over the defenders.
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I know he trucked a couple guys, but I still think he’s soft.

If you are the leader of a team and playing the most important position for that team, you MUST lower your shoulders and turn upfield to get a 1st down when your team needed it BADLY.

YOU DO NOT RUN OUT OF BOUNDS A YARD SHORT!
 
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#294
#294
We have a qb the coaches are afraid to let throw. That's preposterous. Especially an sec team with championship aspirations. Milton is a qb that isn't good enough to throw a football. Come on. You know how ridiculous that is? How can you not make a change?
 
#295
#295
jarnol32 said:
Go back and watch Ollie Lane. Holding penalties, missed blocks, idiotic personal fouls, yet he’s started every game. The fact that they don’t bench him tells me they don’t have anyone that is better, and that’s pretty bad.
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Well the good thing is that Lane and Milton aren't options next year. Hopefully that's a plus.
 
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#296
#296
This is the SEC. Unless you have a top-shelf defense...and UT is close...there is only so far you can go.

If you have a blue-chip QB, you can go farther.

I'm still not sold on Banks, but thus far UT has that top-shelf defense, and lacks the blue-chip QB. it is what it is.

Willie Martinez and Joe Milton are the "Rev Limiters" for this team.

So...8-4, maybe 9-3, 7-5 at worst at this point. TXAM was a coin flip, and UT won. I think Bama and UGA are losses, with UGA being a potential upset win.

At Mizzou and UK are trap games. UConn and Vandy? Wins. So I'm at 8-4, but 10-2 is there for the taking, and 7-5 cannot be ruled out.

If I had to lay money on a number, it would be 9-3. Bama and UGA/UK/Mizzou gets us. We've seen the best of MIlton, and it's just not good enough.

Go Vols.
 
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#297
#297
djohnnyg said:
We have a qb the coaches are afraid to let throw. That's preposterous. Especially an sec team with championship aspirations. Milton is a qb that isn't good enough to throw a football. Come on. You know how ridiculous that is? How can you not make a change?
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How do you know they are afraid to let him throw? Have you asked them and they told you that? Because unless you have, you don't know what they are thinking.
 
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#300
#300
SpaceCoastVol said:
They really want JM to magically become HH
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Silly statement. I think most realize what we had last year was special. At the same time there’s nothing wrong with some of us wanting a QB that makes decent decisions and throws for over a 100 yds. JM is not the caliber QB we need for competing in the East and further competing for championships. Shame on us for pointing that out.
 
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