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#328
#328
So tired of this conversation.

If the coaches thought Nico gave them a better chance to win they would put him in.

Joe gets us in the right play and generally throws to the right place. He is inconsistent on accuracy. Today he was really slow post snap and made some bad decisions.

We are just a ground and pound team this year.
 
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erwinjrvol88 said:
Y'alls some sexy bitches when we get a a close win.
Dixeland Delight gets me wetter than the log flume at Dollywood.
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Not me. My hair these days is mostly seen in the shower drain, if at all. My beard did well during COVID but the wife didn't approve.

It's odd to me to worry about uniforms or hairstyles on these guys. They work hard and I assume the ladies their age must appreciate the hairstyles. My hair got a little longer in the early 70s because the girls liked it.

Even my Dad had sideburns a little longer at some point in there. Conway Twitty style 😂
 
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#331
#331
Michigan didn't want him...Heupel benched him....he's in his 6th friggin year. That end zone pic was absolutely brutal...and so many other horrible plays. He could of ran for 1st on one play but threw it to a guy out of bounds....and a terrible throw late in the 4th that stopped clock and gave Aggies a chance. Although Heupel called that dumb play. God forbid you think your qb can handle it. I don't know....but Milton is just not a guy who is gonna win games for you. Today was everything BUT the qb winning it.
 
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#332
#332
BenGrimm said:
So tired of this conversation.

If the coaches thought Nico gave them a better chance to win they would put him in.

Joe gets us in the right play and generally throws to the right place. He is inconsistent on accuracy. Today he was really slow post snap and made some bad decisions.

We are just a ground and pound team this year.
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He’s what? 7-1 as a starter
 
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#333
If it's not going to be Nico going forward, it needs to be Gaston Moore. I love Milton and I think he's a special talent/person, but it's just not working out. Gaston looked terrific in the spring game. I would roll out Gaston and Jack Jancek in against Bama. Lord knows that we need help at WR too. People on the board have been saying that at least Joe is better than Milroe, but I don't even think that's true. With Milroe, we'd be a better team. He can at least occasionally hit his WRs downfield.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
He’s what? 7-1 as a starter
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He's not Hendon Hooker so far in terms of the passing game, but I think we could be a lot worse off (and have been in many previous years). Would love to see our video game scoring and passing come back, but we don't have to have that to win games as long as we can run the ball, not turn it over, and play good defense and special teams. I don't know if we will get the passing game where everyone wants it to be this season, but I also wouldn't be shocked if they manage to get surprise us either.
 
#338
#338
BenGrimm said:
So tired of this conversation.

If the coaches thought Nico gave them a better chance to win they would put him in.

Joe gets us in the right play and generally throws to the right place. He is inconsistent on accuracy. Today he was really slow post snap and made some bad decisions.

We are just a ground and pound team this year.
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All I can say is Nico must be bad…really bad in practice!
 
#340
#340
SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Yeah, because the old man that is Nick Saban has never seen a heavy run package before.

Nick Saban may be the best defensive coach EVER in college football vs the run. We beat him last year but it wasn't really our running game that did it.
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We had 186 on the ground against them last year. It certainly was a reason we beat them
 
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#342
#342
Milton processes information about a half second slow. He's inaccurate and often throws behind the receiver which makes them look more covered than they really are. He's bad at leading receivers and compensates by firing the ball. On his deep throws tonight he had very little arc on the ball. He hasn't thrown a receiver open all year. He seems to be only reading one side of the field and often has receivers on the back side open that he never looks at. Joe's anticipation is awful. He stares down receivers and hasn't looked the safety off all year. His doesn't sense the pass rush well, holds the ball too long, and takes sacks unnecessarily. Often we are holding the TE and RB in to pass bock to compensate for the offensive line's poor pass blocking. That's why they "don't look so bad." We didn't have to do this last year. It limits our route tree and puts less pressure on the secondary. The offense was slow tonight. We might as well huddle at this point. Someone said Keyton didn't drop Hooker's passes. Keyton dropped Hooker's passes too. A lot. He has terrible hands. None of our wide receivers explode out of their breaks. I am frankly stunned that after getting #1 reps Milton seems to have regressed since the Clemson game. Teams are playing three deep and quarters and daring us to throw accurately over the middle. Where are the crossing routes? Heupel is frustrated. He's seeing one thing in practice and then another thing in the games. He was not happy at all tonight. Frankly, I think he was pissed as hell. He certainly looked it coming off the field. Somebody needs to start yelling at somebody. We are not getting better on offense. We are regressing.
 
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#343
#343
Folks need to accept the fact that Nico will not play this season.

We will live or die by Joe. One poster suggested playing Gaston against
Bama and I agree that this makes more sense than Nico.

I think our run game and defense will keep us in the Bama game until late 4th qtr., just like the A&M game.
 
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#344
orangemadam said:
Folks need to accept the fact that Nico will not play this season.

We will live or die by Joe. One poster suggested playing Gaston against
Bama and I agree that this makes more sense than Nico.

I think our run game and defense will keep us in the Bama game until late 4th qtr., just like the A&M game.
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I agree that this is likely. I was hoping he and the receivers would be more effective at this point than we've seen so far, but I still am holding out hope they'll make some strides. Heupel may very well have some frustrations, and I'm sure Nico is great and hope he will be amazing for us, but I'd be shocked to see him replace Milton this year unless something really awful happened.
 
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#345
#345
I’ve given it some hours to simmer, and the reality is that we’re 5-1 and, as of now, the formula is working. You don’t just “look to the future” when you’re 5-1. We’re still in a place where we’re legitimately competing for the SEC, and to throw in the towel to get Nico game reps and ready for NEXT YEAR would be the biggest loser move we could make.

There’s a reason teams have depth charts. There’s a reason you don’t see weekly QB controversies and benchings of starters. And when you do, how often do you think “man, coach is making savvy move” instead of “man, what’s going on with that team?”
 
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#346
#346
Vol-e-ball said:
Milton processes information about a half second slow. He's inaccurate and often throws behind the receiver which makes them look more covered than they really are. He's bad at leading receivers and compensates by firing the ball. On his deep throws tonight he had very little arc on the ball. He hasn't thrown a receiver open all year. He seems to be only reading one side of the field and often has receivers on the back side open that he never looks at. Joe's anticipation is awful. He stares down receivers and hasn't looked the safety off all year. His doesn't sense the pass rush well, holds the ball too long, and takes sacks unnecessarily. Often we are holding the TE and RB in to pass bock to compensate for the offensive line's poor pass blocking. That's why they "don't look so bad." We didn't have to do this last year. It limits our route tree and puts less pressure on the secondary. The offense was slow tonight. We might as well huddle at this point. Someone said Keyton didn't drop Hooker's passes. Keyton dropped Hooker's passes too. A lot. He has terrible hands. None of our wide receivers explode out of their breaks. I am frankly stunned that after getting #1 reps Milton seems to have regressed since the Clemson game. Teams are playing three deep and quarters and daring us to throw accurately over the middle. Where are the crossing routes? Heupel is frustrated. He's seeing one thing in practice and then another thing in the games. He was not happy at all tonight. Frankly, I think he was pissed as hell. He certainly looked it coming off the field. Somebody needs to start yelling at somebody. We are not getting better on offense. We are regressing.
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Running game and OL play has improved each game, so no, we're not regressing. Passing game isn't nearly as good as last year, but most informed fans knew this coming into the season. And no, you likely don't know what Heupel is thinking
 
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#347
#347
BernardKingGOAT said:
Running game and OL play has improved each game, so no, we're not regressing. Passing game isn't nearly as good as last year, but most informed fans knew this coming into the season. And no, you likely don't know what Heupel is thinking
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I agree with you about the positives, but on the plus side of the poster you quoted, he pointed out a lot of specific things he felt were problems. He's being critical of things he thinks the QB needs to do better, which is reasoned criticism and not just "The QB play is awful/garbage/etc".
 
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#348
#348
You wonder what the record would be this season If the defense of last season was still playing. The biggest thing going for the offense and Milton is the defense they are keeping us in games and most of the time setting up our points.
 
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#349
#349
Volfan2012 said:
You wonder what the record would be this season If the defense of last season was still playing. The biggest thing going for the offense and Milton is the defense they are keeping us in games and most of the time setting up our points.
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Not good I think. The great thing about having our elite offense last year was we always had a chance. The bad thing was our pass defense made things way more exciting and dicey than really one would want. Run defense was quite good. The good news this year is our defense seems a lot better across the board and while we aren't likely to be able to run up obscene scores at least we can run the ball well and should be able to keep our opponents maybe from running away from us on a good day. Football in today's age seems really offensively biased, so I really do wish our pass game was elite, but there are still ways to win. Not sure if we can make it happen against AL and GA, but weirder things have happened.
 
#350
#350
Carl Pickens said:
Milton has his faults, but Hyatt, Tillman and McCoy are all gone and the young guys aren’t getting it done either. It’s not all on Milton
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Hendon would of had probably 275 passing 75 rushing and 2 td’s with those young guys yesterday.
 
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