So...the HEAT is already on New UF Coach Jim McElwain

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AFL2008 said:
You don't know what the heck you are talking about.

UT had two issues on the OL last year...

A lack of experience AND a lack of talent.

UF only has one of those issues.

I mean don't you follow your own team? A walkon was playing major minutes for Tennessee last year on the OL. The best guy they had on the team from a recruiting standpoint was a 4* interior lineman.

That's a big difference, between playing a walk on and starting a 5* guy at tackle, even if he is a freshman.


"Let’s be honest, the Tennessee offensive line was horrible in 2014.

The Vols ranked No. 118 in sacks allowed with a total of 42 and an average of 3.5 per game. Tennessee also ranked No. 124 in tackles for loss allowed, ahead of only Wake Forest with 97.

Entering the season, the Vols had zero returning starters in the trenches, so the groups’s struggles came as little surprise. However, the level of ineptitude shown by Tennessee’s o-line exceeded any lack of experience.

The Vols were dominated by opposing defenses and seemed incapable of providing any protection. Even FCS Chattanooga recorded five sacks against Tennessee during its Week 7 loss.

UF may be down this year at the position, but it won't be anywhere NEAR as bad as UT last season."
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There was also a 4* OT on last years team. So, two four stars. Last year's team also didn't start four true freshman, just one, so experience was far ahead of what Florida will have. Now since you want to use a minimal difference in star rating, I will use the college years to my advantage which negates any advantage you think Florida has.

These guys, except Jashon, had a fall practice under their belts with each other, a season together while Florida is just now starting that process. Florida may be worse. It's not a guarantee either way.
 
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AFL2008 said:
Talent on the offensive line is not the issue. Experience is the issue.

Returning Players:
David Sharpe - 4*, .9434 composite, 6'6, 355, Soph (anticipated starter)
Trip Thurman, - 3*, .8876 composite, 6'5, 313, RS Senior (anticipated starter)
Andrew Mike - 3*, .8767 composite, 6'6, 302, RS Fr (fighting for a spot in the 8 man rotation, could start)
Antonio Riles - 3*, .8753 composite, 6'4, 322 RS Soph (anticipated starter)
Cam Dillard - 3*, .8712 composite, 6'4, 308, RS Soph (fighting for a spot in the 8 man rotation)
Travaris Dorsey - 3*, .8600 composite, 6'2, 318, RS Fr (fighting for a spot in the 8 man rotation)
Kavaris Harkless - 3*, .8491 composite, 6'5, 300, RS Fr (fighting for a spot in the 8 man rotation)

New players from 2015 Class:
Martez Ivey - 5* .9990 composite, 6'5, 302 (anticipated starter)
Tyler Jordan - 3* .8795 composite, 6'4, 292 (fighting for a spot in the 8 man rotation, could start)
Brandon Sandifer - 3* .8600 composite, 6'3, 357 (probable redshirt)
Richard Desir-Jones - 3*, .8382 composite, 6'4, 290 (fighting for a spot in the 8 man rotation)
Frederick Johnson - 3*, .8330 composite, 6'6, 305 (probably redshirt)
Nick Buchanan - 3*, .8276 composite, 6'2, 285 (fighting for a spot in the 8 man rotation)

Transfers
T.J. McCoy - 3*, .8202 composite, 6'1, 302 (fighting for a spot in the 8 man rotation)
Mason Halter - 2x FCS AA, 6'6, 295, RS Senior (fighting for a spot in the 8 man rotation)

So the talent, size, and athleticism is there for the unit to be good. It's not like UF will be relying on scrubs and walk ons.

The issue will be experience. With good coaching, and some leadership from the experienced guys, this could actually be a good unit. It's not like UF has been so good at this position in the prior regime anyways. Starting fresh sounds good to me.
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This post proves exactly what Vol fans have been telling you. You're hoping your lone 5 star and lone 4 star become stalwarts along with the rest of your bag of potatoes.

Also Trip is one dent away from sitting this year.
 
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Converted walk-on receiver to help RB depth.

Depth problems on OL. I mean SERIOUS depth problems. So much so that you have six freshman OL coming in to help. (ETA: And a senior FCS OL from New York.)

Can't decide on a QB. Neither can throw against air.

Receivers can't catch against air.

Still learning the schemes going into fall.

UF fans, tell me which O position you feel comfortable about.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Converted walk-on receiver to help RB depth.

Depth problems on OL. I mean SERIOUS depth problems. So much so that you have six freshman OL coming in to help. (ETA: And a senior FCS OL from New York.)

Can't decide on a QB. Neither can throw against air.

Receivers can't catch against air.

Still learning the schemes going into fall.

UF fans, tell me which O position you feel comfortable about.
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TE. McGee and Goldsby are going to be good.
RB is ok. Lane was out and Powell was moved to WR - hence only 1 scholarship RB in the spring. Taylor and Lane are healthy, Scarlett is expected to contribute from day 1 as a freshman (not really a surprise anymore for RBs) and Cronkite came in but will probably red shirt unless he is needed. Herndon will be back by fall too.

Outside of Demarcus Robinson and Brandon Powell, WR, QB, and OL all have serious questions. But it doesn't mean they don't come through Fall and perform better than the **** show of last year.

I can pretty much guarantee that UF won't be as bad as UT was last year on the OL. That was historical levels of ineptness. I mean, if experience is the only thing that is important, UF can always run out a bunch of "experienced" walk ons that have been on the team forever. I doubt that would be a good idea though.

Plenty of highly touted linemen have come into this conference as freshmen and played very well in the last 5-6 years. There is on reason why Martez Ivey can't do the same thing. David Sharpe played a lot last year at tackle, Thurman has played a lot. Riles, Dorsey, Mike, Dillard, and Harkless have all been through one fall and spring camp. Halter was a FCS all american. Those guys go and play in the league all the time, there isn't any reason why he couldn't at the very least provide depth. The situation is not nearly as dire as it was 4 months ago.

Qb is the position that most of us are the most worried about.
 
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AFL2008 said:
TE. McGee and Goldsby are going to be good.
RB is ok. Lane was out and Powell was moved to WR - hence only 1 scholarship RB in the spring. Taylor and Lane are healthy, Scarlett is expected to contribute from day 1 as a freshman (not really a surprise anymore for RBs) and Cronkite came in but will probably red shirt unless he is needed. Herndon will be back by fall too.

Outside of Demarcus Robinson and Brandon Powell, WR, QB, and OL all have serious questions. But it doesn't mean they don't come through Fall and perform better than the **** show of last year.

I can pretty much guarantee that UF won't be as bad as UT was last year on the OL. That was historical levels of ineptness. I mean, if experience is the only thing that is important, UF can always run out a bunch of "experienced" walk ons that have been on the team forever. I doubt that would be a good idea though.

Plenty of highly touted linemen have come into this conference as freshmen and played very well in the last 5-6 years. There is on reason why Martez Ivey can't do the same thing. David Sharpe played a lot last year at tackle, Thurman has played a lot. Riles, Dorsey, Mike, Dillard, and Harkless have all been through one fall and spring camp. Halter was a FCS all american. Those guys go and play in the league all the time, there isn't any reason why he couldn't at the very least provide depth. The situation is not nearly as dire as it was 4 months ago.

Qb is the position that most of us are the most worried about.
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Should be fun to watch the season unfold and all of the questions get answered.
 
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AFL2008 said:
TE. McGee and Goldsby are going to be good.
RB is ok. Lane was out and Powell was moved to WR - hence only 1 scholarship RB in the spring. Taylor and Lane are healthy, Scarlett is expected to contribute from day 1 as a freshman (not really a surprise anymore for RBs) and Cronkite came in but will probably red shirt unless he is needed. Herndon will be back by fall too.

Outside of Demarcus Robinson and Brandon Powell, WR, QB, and OL all have serious questions. But it doesn't mean they don't come through Fall and perform better than the **** show of last year.

I can pretty much guarantee that UF won't be as bad as UT was last year on the OL. That was historical levels of ineptness. I mean, if experience is the only thing that is important, UF can always run out a bunch of "experienced" walk ons that have been on the team forever. I doubt that would be a good idea though.

Plenty of highly touted linemen have come into this conference as freshmen and played very well in the last 5-6 years. There is on reason why Martez Ivey can't do the same thing. David Sharpe played a lot last year at tackle, Thurman has played a lot. Riles, Dorsey, Mike, Dillard, and Harkless have all been through one fall and spring camp. Halter was a FCS all american. Those guys go and play in the league all the time, there isn't any reason why he couldn't at the very least provide depth. The situation is not nearly as dire as it was 4 months ago.

Qb is the position that most of us are the most worried about.
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Your homerism and optimism are noted.
 
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One other thing that will have some impact is a new scheme as well as new players. I don't follow UF, but the offensive line scheme wasn't the issue last year on offense for UF. That could easily have an impact in calling plays and UT saw last year what an unready center can do to an offense. I don't think it is a huge impact, but hopefully it come up and bites you in the rear at some point
 
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So what's the O/U on UF giving up a combined 12 sacks to UT & OM this year? Having a new O-line and a new pro style QB going up against 2 of the top 3 D-lines in the SEC won't be pretty
 
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#87
While getting the young UF O line some experience I'd probably start by putting video up of last years O line blocking each other and state the minimum goal for the year should be to not repeat that. As a stretch goal pull up the bowl video of your tail back and point out blocking should be at least adequate to where the running backs are not crapping their pants... Literally👌

If your starting group can stay serviceably healthy I agree you won't be as bad as our group was last year. But I would submit that group is about two injuries away from possibly being as bad as our 2014 group
 
#88
#88
I think we need to start telling them how there 3 * are all underrated and will be great . Just like they did
 
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#89
Dear UF fans, you won't lose to us bc your O-line is bad, you'll lose to us bc our D-line is good. When we knock your QB out of the game in the 2nd quarter, there won't be a savior waiting behind him. Butch approached this rebuild like the Seahawks did. Suffocating defense, power run game, QB that can beat you with his legs, tall WRs.

You all have about 50 days left to talk about the streak, then like Bama in 95, we're going to beat you, again and again, until you can put together a team like Spurrier and Urban had.
 
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08Vol said:
Dear UF fans, you won't lose to us bc your O-line is bad, you'll lose to us bc our D-line is good. When we knock your QB out of the game in the 2nd quarter, there won't be a savior waiting behind him. Butch approached this rebuild like the Seahawks did. Suffocating defense, power run game, QB that can beat you with his legs, tall WRs.

You all have about 50 days left to talk about the streak, then like Bama in 95, we're going to beat you, again and again, until you can put together a team like Spurrier and Urban had.
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Lol

Tell us more.

Butch will make a bad call like Pete to lose it on final play.

#thetangisthick
 
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Forever151 said:
Adam lane requested a transfer to be ( closer to home )

It's starting lizard boys #EnjoyTheBottom
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Let's hope it is only for this reason and not family related. Winter Haven is only 2 hours from Gainesville. Perhaps he'll go to UCF or USF which are both 40 minutes away.
 
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It's so funny Vol fans calling me a homer in this thread LOFL.

Just like you shouldn't buy into the hype being built up by magazines and journalists everywhere about UT, you shouldn't believe the doom and gloom hype being written about UF either.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle for both.

UF does have some bright spots: Jake McGee and DeAndre Goolsby are going to be good targets at TE, something UF didn't have last year (because McGee was injured and Goolsby didn't play much at that point), which cost them at least 2 games (LSU and FSU)

Demarcus Robinson, even with the ridiculously bad Driskel playing QB last year, was top 5 in every major statistical category for a WR in the SEC last year, and should only be better this year with even marginally better QB play (which is almost guaranteed) and more weapons around him.

Brandon Powell emerged late last year as a legit slot threat, and now the new coaching staff has moved him there full time. UF hasn't had a threat in the slot in years, so it can only help the passing game.

Kelvin Taylor and Jordan Scarlett, the two projected starters at RB all off season, are both healthy and looking good.

The OL which had 7 healthy bodies in the spring now has 15.

So yeah, UF has some questions, but dang, the situation on offense looks a lot better than last year.

And as it relates to UT:

With Driskel and co. basically handing UT the game for 3 quarters, UF scored 10 points in 1 quarter with Treon Harris playing his FIRST game at QB last year, and he didn't even complete ONE PASS to a WR. Florida only had 76 yards passing and 3 INT in that abortion against UT.

UF only averaged 3.3 yards per carry.

And they still found a way to beat Tennessee.

I find it hard to believe, with a new coach and with a better offensive system, that UF can't cobble together more than 232 total yards and 10 points against UT this year, in the swamp, where UT has had some horrible games and horrible luck in recent years.
 
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AFL2008 said:
It's so funny Vol fans calling me a homer in this thread LOFL.

Just like you shouldn't buy into the hype being built up by magazines and journalists everywhere about UT, you shouldn't believe the doom and gloom hype being written about UF either.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle for both.

UF does have some bright spots: Jake McGee and DeAndre Goolsby are going to be good targets at TE, something UF didn't have last year (because McGee was injured and Goolsby didn't play much at that point), which cost them at least 2 games (LSU and FSU)

Demarcus Robinson, even with the ridiculously bad Driskel playing QB last year, was top 5 in every major statistical category for a WR in the SEC last year, and should only be better this year with even marginally better QB play (which is almost guaranteed) and more weapons around him.

Brandon Powell emerged late last year as a legit slot threat, and now the new coaching staff has moved him there full time. UF hasn't had a threat in the slot in years, so it can only help the passing game.

Kelvin Taylor and Jordan Scarlett, the two projected starters at RB all off season, are both healthy and looking good.

The OL which had 7 healthy bodies in the spring now has 15.

So yeah, UF has some questions, but dang, the situation on offense looks a lot better than last year.

And as it relates to UT:

With Driskel and co. basically handing UT the game for 3 quarters, UF scored 10 points in 1 quarter with Treon Harris playing his FIRST game at QB last year, and he didn't even complete ONE PASS to a WR. Florida only had 76 yards passing and 3 INT in that abortion against UT.

UF only averaged 3.3 yards per carry.

And they still found a way to beat Tennessee.

I find it hard to believe, with a new coach and with a better offensive system, that UF can't cobble together more than 232 total yards and 10 points against UT this year, in the swamp, where UT has had some horrible games and horrible luck in recent years.
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No..No..UF football is over because the internet said so.
 
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AFL2008 said:
It's so funny Vol fans calling me a homer in this thread LOFL.

Just like you shouldn't buy into the hype being built up by magazines and journalists everywhere about UT, you shouldn't believe the doom and gloom hype being written about UF either.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle for both.

UF does have some bright spots: Jake McGee and DeAndre Goolsby are going to be good targets at TE, something UF didn't have last year (because McGee was injured and Goolsby didn't play much at that point), which cost them at least 2 games (LSU and FSU)

Demarcus Robinson, even with the ridiculously bad Driskel playing QB last year, was top 5 in every major statistical category for a WR in the SEC last year, and should only be better this year with even marginally better QB play (which is almost guaranteed) and more weapons around him.

Brandon Powell emerged late last year as a legit slot threat, and now the new coaching staff has moved him there full time. UF hasn't had a threat in the slot in years, so it can only help the passing game.

Kelvin Taylor and Jordan Scarlett, the two projected starters at RB all off season, are both healthy and looking good.

The OL which had 7 healthy bodies in the spring now has 15.

So yeah, UF has some questions, but dang, the situation on offense looks a lot better than last year.

And as it relates to UT:

With Driskel and co. basically handing UT the game for 3 quarters, UF scored 10 points in 1 quarter with Treon Harris playing his FIRST game at QB last year, and he didn't even complete ONE PASS to a WR. Florida only had 76 yards passing and 3 INT in that abortion against UT.

UF only averaged 3.3 yards per carry.

And they still found a way to beat Tennessee.

I find it hard to believe, with a new coach and with a better offensive system, that UF can't cobble together more than 232 total yards and 10 points against UT this year, in the swamp, where UT has had some horrible games and horrible luck in recent years.
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I like your points but quality depth is not your friend and to win in the SEC, it's a requirement. Trust me, we haven't had it till this year and we still have depth opportunities at OL, RB and TE.

Flinging bodies is not the answer to winning. Red shirting 4*'s is.
 
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AFL2008 said:
It's so funny Vol fans calling me a homer in this thread LOFL.

Just like you shouldn't buy into the hype being built up by magazines and journalists everywhere about UT, you shouldn't believe the doom and gloom hype being written about UF either.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle for both.

UF does have some bright spots: Jake McGee and DeAndre Goolsby are going to be good targets at TE, something UF didn't have last year (because McGee was injured and Goolsby didn't play much at that point), which cost them at least 2 games (LSU and FSU)

Demarcus Robinson, even with the ridiculously bad Driskel playing QB last year, was top 5 in every major statistical category for a WR in the SEC last year, and should only be better this year with even marginally better QB play (which is almost guaranteed) and more weapons around him.

Brandon Powell emerged late last year as a legit slot threat, and now the new coaching staff has moved him there full time. UF hasn't had a threat in the slot in years, so it can only help the passing game.

Kelvin Taylor and Jordan Scarlett, the two projected starters at RB all off season, are both healthy and looking good.

The OL which had 7 healthy bodies in the spring now has 15.

So yeah, UF has some questions, but dang, the situation on offense looks a lot better than last year.

And as it relates to UT:

With Driskel and co. basically handing UT the game for 3 quarters, UF scored 10 points in 1 quarter with Treon Harris playing his FIRST game at QB last year, and he didn't even complete ONE PASS to a WR. Florida only had 76 yards passing and 3 INT in that abortion against UT.

UF only averaged 3.3 yards per carry.

And they still found a way to beat Tennessee.

I find it hard to believe, with a new coach and with a better offensive system, that UF can't cobble together more than 232 total yards and 10 points against UT this year, in the swamp, where UT has had some horrible games and horrible luck in recent years.
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If you don't want to be called a homer, don't:

  1. Invent improvement based on questions,
  2. Negate improvement at UT,
  3. Reference luck and superstition based on past games.

Hands down, UT looks like the better team this year.
 
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