So Worley almost beats 2 ranked teams yet...

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volfanbill said:
Says who?
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I may have been wrong all of this time, but I could've sworn the coaches had been saying it most of the season. At least before the season started saying they were neck and neck. Don't recall either QB getting way ahead of the other up until it was time for one of them to come in.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Outside of a half against UGA there is not really much to argue about.
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So the SCjr game means nothing in discussion with who developed more as a decent QB?

I see it as Worleys to lose. Ferguson was close to being a 4th stringer and has yet to see the field yet somehow people believe he may start over him. It just doesn't make sense to me :/
 
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Other_Guy said:
So the SCjr game means nothing in discussion with who developed more as a decent QB?

I see it as Worleys to lose. Ferguson was close to being a 4th stringer and has yet to see the field yet somehow people believe he may start over him. It just doesn't make sense to me :/
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Not really.
Without a couple of miracle catches most will not bring up the USC game because it would have been an L. And he really didn't play that well.
His best football was the second half against UGA.

Worley is still in the mix but far from it being his to lose IMO.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Not really.
Without a couple of miracle catches most will not bring up the USC game because it would have been an L. And he really didn't play that well.
His best football was the second half against UGA.

Worley is still in the mix but far from it being his to lose IMO.
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Well he didn't throw a pick and DID put the ball where it needed to be... again not saying he was Brady but he got a ton better and I would have been happy to finish out the year with him (again, would've beaten Vandy). Dobbs was pretty raw as was Peterman.

Just think it's unfair to say the 3rd stringer will start or should start over what he became in those 2 games. I know you didn't say it but I've seen it posted numerous times.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Not really.
Without a couple of miracle catches most will not bring up the USC game because it would have been an L. And he really didn't play that well.
His best football was the second half against UGA.

Worley is still in the mix but far from it being his to lose IMO.
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Also, he was the starter, got benched, was the starter again and got a lot better. He enters spring as being the starter (providing the injury doesn't affect him). So yes it is his to lose. Is the gap that wide? No.
 
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KBVol said:
That's ok. But you're wrong
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The problem is, you think the whole offense is read option because that's what you saw this year. I think you'd be shocked at how West Coastish things would look if the receivers ran the right routes and the QB starts getting it out on time.
 
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Other_Guy said:
Well he didn't throw a pick and DID put the ball where it needed to be... again not saying he was Brady but he got a ton better and I would have been happy to finish out the year with him (again, would've beaten Vandy). Dobbs was pretty raw as was Peterman.

Just think it's unfair to say the 3rd stringer will start or should start over what he became in those 2 games. I know you didn't say it but I've seen it posted numerous times.
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I think it's just a matter of Worley's ceiling which most think they've seen vs. Dobbs/Ferguson's ceiling which nobody thinks we've seen.
 
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Other_Guy said:
Also, he was the starter, got benched, was the starter again and got a lot better. He enters spring as being the starter (providing the injury doesn't affect him). So yes it is his to lose. Is the gap that wide? No.
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"A lot better"?
Meh. He improved as well as some of the players around him. A lot better is a stretch.

I was unaware he had been named the started since the UK game. If thats I true, I guess your right.
 
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KBVol said:
Yes it is. For Butch's offense to be running on all cylinders, at an optimum level, a good running QB is an absolute must. He doesn't have to be Nick Marshall, keeping it on designed qb plays, but he must be efficient and a threat to keep the ball on any of the zone read plays, whether its 2 or 20 times. Defenses must respect the qbs ability/threat to run or the offense will never reach its potential.
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Butch's offense is a modified west coast passing game with levels progressions.

His running game is a power game from the shot gun with zone blocking . He uses H backs and TEs rather than fullbacks

The zone read is a very small part of this offense as is a running QB. It is a nice thing to have , but a competent passer could stretch the LBs to the E Gap ( as the zone read does ) with play action and underneath passes...which Butch prefers to do more that running a zone QB
 
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It should be a heck of a QB competition. I'm excited to finally get a look at what ferguson has got.
 
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majic73 said:
Butch's offense is a modified west coast passing game with levels progressions.

His running game is a power game from the shot gun with zone blocking . He uses H backs and TEs rather than fullbacks

The zone read is a very small part of this offense as is a running QB. It is a nice thing to have , but a competent passer could stretch the LBs to the E Gap ( as the zone read does ) with play action and underneath passes...which Butch prefers to do more that running a zone QB
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It's ridiculous how many of our fans don't get this and think that our offense is a rich rod or urban Meyer spread.
 
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GAVol said:
The problem is, you think the whole offense is read option because that's what you saw this year. I think you'd be shocked at how West Coastish things would look if the receivers ran the right routes and the QB starts getting it out on time.
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First off, I said for this offense, as currently constituted, as the one we witnessed this year, to be optimally efficient/effective, must have a running threat at QB. That's just a fact.

And no, I don't think anything of the kind regarding believing the whole offense is read option. Obviously the passing game is not.... but the running game absolutely is.

As always, in virtually any offense (I only write virtually here because of Auburn's offense) the play of the qb from the pocket, accurately throwing the ball is the most important thing to have.

A huge part of UT's running game, virtually all of it, is predicated on the read-option. It just is. Option here means choice....one choice is giving the running back the ball, the other choice is the QB keeping the ball. By definition, the QB being able to keep the ball and run with it is important to the success of the offense.... otherwise, why not just line up and hand it directly to the RB without the risk of getting your QB hit/hurt.

Finally, if you're running the read option and the defense has absolutely no respect for the QB keeping it, then you're one dimensional and much easier to defend. No idea how you can totally disagree with this. But, to each his own I guess.
 
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Worley's ceiling can raise up a little if he stops playing scared, steps into throws, and tucks the ball 6-8 times a game.
 
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You guys are still hung up on the 1 QB mantra. CBJ's track record and own comments suggest he doesn't have 1 QB. He will play whoever will win that day.
 
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sjt18 said:
He was effective when he ran. IMO, he was told not to run because they didn't want to burn the RS's of the Fr.
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I doubt that. Dobbs wasn't told not to run when our backup QB was pig in the wildcat.

I think he just didn't want to keep the ball. He was effective when he did because it was once every other game and caught very one by surprise.
 
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Worley didn't almost beat anyone. What games were you watching? QB play was one of our biggest weaknesses throughout the season.

Not one of our QBs looked like a decent D1 starter this season, Worley included.
 
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volsfansince4387 said:
You guys are still hung up on the 1 QB mantra. CBJ's track record and own comments suggest he doesn't have 1 QB. He will play whoever will win that day.
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His track record suggests that he usually plays 2 because of injury. Only last year and his last season at Cincy has he switched starters because he thought he had a better chance to win with the (then) #2 guy.
 
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sjt18 said:
He was effective when he ran. IMO, he was told not to run because they didn't want to burn the RS's of the Fr.
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not even close. He was benched for the florida game because he wasn't keeping the ball on the read option in fear. That's what brought out the desperation move with Peterman as Butch knows that offense can't work without a qb being decisive and aggressive, much less one with subpar release/accuracy, no TE, and freshman wr's all over the field that don't have any idea where they are going half the time.

He also ran more after the benching as used his legs to extend at least 2 drives against SC and a couple against Ga as well.

Your assertion that Butch would tell his qb to not run is well off.
 
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volsfansince4387 said:
You guys are still hung up on the 1 QB mantra. CBJ's track record and own comments suggest he doesn't have 1 QB. He will play whoever will win that day.
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I hope he doesn't stick with this thinking because its not good. You cannot build stability, cohesion and confidence by starting multiple QBs. I am not saying you cannot bring in another QB for some trick plays here and there but that's it. CBJ needs to decide who the starter is and stick with him throughout the season. Through good and bad.
 
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KBVol said:
First off, I said for this offense, as currently constituted, as the one we witnessed this year, to be optimally efficient/effective, must have a running threat at QB. That's just a fact.

And no, I don't think anything of the kind regarding believing the whole offense is read option. Obviously the passing game is not.... but the running game absolutely is.

As always, in virtually any offense (I only write virtually here because of Auburn's offense) the play of the qb from the pocket, accurately throwing the ball is the most important thing to have.

A huge part of UT's running game, virtually all of it, is predicated on the read-option. It just is. Option here means choice....one choice is giving the running back the ball, the other choice is the QB keeping the ball. By definition, the QB being able to keep the ball and run with it is important to the success of the offense.... otherwise, why not just line up and hand it directly to the RB without the risk of getting your QB hit/hurt.

Finally, if you're running the read option and the defense has absolutely no respect for the QB keeping it, then you're one dimensional and much easier to defend. No idea how you can totally disagree with this. But, to each his own I guess.
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You are right in that what we saw this year ..especially with Dobbs. The reason you didnt see Worley run alot ...it this system does not feature alot of zone reads. The running game is a power game out of the gun....very much like an I based attack...instead of a FB they use an H back . The passing game is a west coast kind of deal that features alot of short to intermediate routes.

Dobbs ran alot of zone reads because he could not execute the passing game .

When this system is running optimally ...you may see zone read runs 1 time a game.
 
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majic73 said:
You are right in that what we saw this year ..especially with Dobbs. The reason you didnt see Worley run alot ...it this system does not feature alot of zone reads. The running game is a power game out of the gun....very much like an I based attack...instead of a FB they use an H back . The passing game is a west coast kind of deal that features alot of short to intermediate routes.

Dobbs ran alot of zone reads because he could not execute the passing game .

When this system is running optimally ...you may see zone read runs 1 time a game.
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