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A teacher that teaches for the joy of educating children but barely supports their own family due to the low salary. Greedy or no?
A single childless teacher that teaches because it gives them the summer off for travel. Greedy or no?
A teacher that works hard, continues their education and moves up to principle to better serve the students but accepts the raise. Greedy or no?
 
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Vol8188 said:
That's why I got out of education.
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Respect.

For those in the back of the room, and liberals :

What he said is that the public school system, with its inherent progressive brainwashing...even in the curriculums...was no longer a job that 88 could do and look himself in the mirror. His conscience would not allow him to infect young minds with the diseases of liberalism and socialism. The woke agenda strikes again.

If i misspoke 8188, please correct me man. Or if you care to elaborate. You are/were teaching in the same state/environment in which i refuse to put my own kids in public school and have their brains infected with this insidious disease...but i do not want to misapprehend your intentions or choice. GBO .
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Respect.

For those in the back of the room, and liberals :

What he said is that the public school system, with its inherent progressive brainwashing...even in the curriculums...was no longer a job that 88 could do and look himself in the mirror. His conscience would not allow him to infect young minds with the diseases of liberalism and socialism. The woke agenda strikes again.

If i misspoke 8188, please correct me man. Or if you care to elaborate. You are/were teaching in the same state/environment in which i refuse to put my own kids in public school and have their brains infected with this insidious disease...but i do not want to misapprehend your intentions or choice. GBO .
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Your not far off. It was mainly the idea that "disparities in outcome=racism". Specifically in regards to classroom discipline. You had the Obama admin and NAACP openly going after school districts for suspending black students at greater rates. When the truth is the behavior is not the same. You can take the most liberal teachers in the world and you'll still find they discipline black students more frequently because the behavior is disproportionate. This was leading to environments that impacted the learning of all, and I refused to be a yes man and go along with it.

It's a discussion I've had in the past with luther on here and just pretends it's not a thing.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Tobacco companies, like all people and all companies, were greedy before they did anything unethical. You're pretending "greedy" and "unethical" are the same. They are not. Those are different words with very different meanings.


"A CEO is supposed to work for a reasonable profit. It becomes greed when the desire for increased profit causes him to make decisions detrimental (harmful) to society, customers, employees."

What if they only want that "unreasonable profit" for their family? You told me that wasn’t greed. You said you do what you do for your family and that it is not greed. So if they are making large profits for their family, that's cool right?
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@luthervol you skipped one.
 
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hog88 said:
So you agree that greed is good and can be bad. I suspect you find your greed to be good.
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No. Greed by definition is bad.
For those of you who are religious (which I am not), it's like this.
Everyone sins.........that's a given. You recognize the fact that you sin and try to minimize it. You DO NOT say "well everyone sins so it must be okay so I'll just sin as much as I wish".

People should recognize the fact that have greedy tendencies and work to minimize those as much as possible.
 
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luthervol said:
No. Greed by definition is bad.
For those of you who are religious (which I am not), it's like this.
Everyone sins.........that's a given. You recognize the fact that you sin and try to minimize it. You DO NOT say "well everyone sins so it must be okay so I'll just sin as much as I wish".

People should recognize the fact that have greedy tendencies and work to minimize those as much as possible.
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So a man that invents the cure for cancer because it will make him rich beyond belief is bad greedy?
 
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hog88 said:
A teacher that teaches for the joy of educating children but barely supports their own family due to the low salary. Greedy or no?
A single childless teacher that teaches because it gives them the summer off for travel. Greedy or no?
A teacher that works hard, continues their education and moves up to principle to better serve the students but accepts the raise. Greedy or no?
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I'll put them on the continuum for you.
1. About a 2%.
2. About a 20%
3. About a 2%
 
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hog88 said:
So a man that invents the cure for cancer because it will make him rich beyond belief is bad greedy?
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Somewhat, if his only motivation was to get rich. But at least he did pick an avenue of getting rich that was beneficial to society.

I would think most people working to cure cancer are at least possibly motivated by the purer reason.
 
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luthervol said:
Somewhat, if his only motivation was to get rich. But at least he did pick an avenue of getting rich that was beneficial to society.

I would think most people working to cure cancer are at least possibly motivated by the purer reason.
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Ok, so a man that starts a business selling books with the intention of becoming one of the richest men in the world is bad greedy even though his business employees hundreds of thousands of people?
 
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luthervol said:
I'll put them on the continuum for you.
1. About a 2%.
2. About a 20%
3. About a 2%
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They are equally all greedy.
The teacher that could better their families situation is greedy because the joy they get is worth more to them than financial security for their children.
The teacher that teaches because they get summers off to travel is greedy because they are only teaching to provide for their enjoyment.
The teacher that works their way up to be principle is greedy because even though they didn't do it for the money they accepted the additional money.

None have the purity of motivation you say people should have.
 
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hog88 said:
Ok, so a man that starts a business selling books with the intention of becoming one of the richest men in the world is bad greedy even though his business employees hundreds of thousands of people?
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Yes. His desire to become one of the richest men in the world would place him high on the greed coninuum.
He obviously could have paid his employees more or done other things with the wealth he is accumulating.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
Did you not know the area of the Great Smokies plus all but about 320 acres of Appalachia were clear-cut from the 1890s to 1930s? I have been told the largest sawmill in the world was in Tellico Plains circa 1910.

The only stand of virgin timber i know of left in the Appalachians is in Joyce Kilmer Memorial Forest.

Surprisingly, the Great Smokies have survived. I don't know if you had many conversations with old timers around places like Tellico Plains, but there was a deep distrust of the Federal government over the forced confiscation of the land.
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Started substantial logging around 1850 and by 1895 Vanderbilt owned 100k+ acres and was logging using the first forester Pinchot. A good book about some of this is ' Last Train to Elmont ' .
Also there are a few stands of virgin timber left in the GSMNP., Albright Grove is one and has virgin hardwoods.
 
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People also make the mistake of associating greed/capitalism with envy and competition...such as "keeping up with the Jones". For many people, and me in particular...that could not be further from the truth.

I want to make more money and buy a faster coupe with a manual transmission like mine...but not because a neighbor/friend/some guy at work or church has one...i want one because i greatly enjoy driving the one i have but desperately want another 75hp for corner exits and straightaways....I could not possibly care less what anyone else has as long as them having it does not infringe on my family's rights or pursuit of liberty and happiness. I simply do not care what anyone else has or wants...

The liberals problem is that they want nicer things just like everyone else...but they want to use the goverment and its monopoly on violence to pick winners and losers...to take from the rich and give to the often deservedly poor...to somehow attempt to "equalize outcomes" among humans with VASTLY different skills, levels of intelligence, aptitude etc....its a damn fools errand to even try this...it is also
morally wrong to take what a person has rightfully earned and give it to others who in many cases have never even tried. In short...it is all complete BS and failure in every aspect. It is THEIR envy and greed, absent the talent, skills, and effort to actually acquire better things and lifestyle, that rears its ugly head at every turn. They love to paint capitalists as if we suffer from insatiable evil greed and envy....when in truth their jealousy, envy, and desire to take what is not theirs actually eats them alive.

They know that the only way this can be accomplished is through the machinations of government...so they constantly lie, slander, gaslight, backstab, etc all the while working to force their garbage ideas into our "public conversation ", our public schools, the media, and any other means they can use to infect minds with their garbage ideas.

"Progressive" agendas and socialism will be the end of this nation. They are the cancer that will eventually kill what was once the greatest nation in recorded history. It makes me nauseous.
 
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