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#628
#628
hog88 said:
They are equally all greedy.
The teacher that could better their families situation is greedy because the joy they get is worth more to them than financial security for their children.
The teacher that teaches because they get summers off to travel is greedy because they are only teaching to provide for their enjoyment.
The teacher that works their way up to be principle is greedy because even though they didn't do it for the money they accepted the additional money.

None have the purity of motivation you say people should have.
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Nonsense. It's not an either total greed or no greed at all.
CONTINUUMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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#630
luthervol said:
Yes. His desire to become one of the richest men in the world would place him high on the greed coninuum.
He obviously could have paid his employees more or done other things with the wealth he is accumulating.
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Even if his business' average salary is over $50k per year, pays for the health insurance and he personally gave billions to charity and the company gives millions every year?
 
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#633
hog88 said:
Even if his business' average salary is over $50k per year, pays for the health insurance and he personally gave billions to charity and the company gives millions every year?
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Giving billions to charity and paying his employees well certainly moves him down the continuum.
A desire to be the richest man in the world certainly moves him up.

It's not nearly as complicated as you guys are trying to make it.
 
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#635
Vol8188 said:
Not at all. I work because I want my family to have better opportunities. That is greed. Even if every action I take is morally and legally correct, my actions are still motivated by greed.
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Wanting your family to have better opportunities is not in and of itself greed.
 
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luthervol said:
Giving billions to charity and paying his employees well certainly moves him down the continuum.
A desire to be the richest man in the world certainly moves him up.

It's not nearly as complicated as you guys are trying to make it.
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What if the man gives boat loads of money to Dem candidates and liberal PACs how does that move him on the continuum?
 
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#647
luthervol said:
The definition you provided proved the definition you are using is wrong.

INTENSE - SELFISH - WEALTH - POWER
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It did not. Wanting more for your family is selfish. I want my family to have more I had as a child, so I provide more wealth for them. Obviously the desire is intense, otherwise it wouldn't drive people.

What am I missing?

And once again, you're failing to admit that there is no moral component to "greed" like you're attempting to claim.
 
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Vol8188 said:
It did not. Wanting more for your family is selfish. I want my family to have more I had as a child, so I provide more wealth for them. Obviously the desire is intense, otherwise it wouldn't drive people.

What am I missing?

And once again, you've failing to admit that there is no moral component to "greed" like you're attempting to claim.
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I didn't admit it because it's totally absurd position to claim there is no moral component to greed. It's beyond ludicrous.
 
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#649
Greed is not an aspect of capitalism...it is one of the primary human motivations, second only to the will to survive. Since the Garden of Eden, humans have wanted and will always want more and better things and experiences. It is humanity at its core.

Those who have morals balance their greed with generosity, altruism, and service for others. I think that is universally understood regardless of politics.

The insane problem with liberals is you folks want to remove the CHOICE of an individual to CHOOSE if, when, and how they give to others who have less. You want to use the goverment and their monopoly on violence and incarceration to FORCE others to give what they have acquired to YOU and your ilk...rather than let them decide if, when, and how to give from their rightfully acquired largesse.

It is theft. Plain and simple. You try to use the government to play Robinhood and steal from the rich, allegedly to "give to the poor"...which in practice just results in large portions of what was taken being pilfered by the self appointed "elites" among your liberal brethren. It is shameful, greedy, jealous, and morally reprehensible.
 
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luthervol said:
I didn't admit it because it's totally absurd position to claim there is no moral component to greed. It's beyond ludicrous.
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Yet it is not in the definition. You specifically accused me of not using the actual definition of greed, turns out you're the one not using the real definition.

Greed is amoral. You may commit both moral and immoral acts based on greed. The same way hunger is amoral, yet you may kill or rob over hunger.
 
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