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[luthervol]

The greed of others is the reason you live the privileged life you do. Yes, it’s very beneficial

I completely disagree.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Cultural shifts in how a trait is viewed is difficult but also is constantly happening. I've seen a change in many views in my lifetime, including greed. Forty years ago greed had a much greater negative connotation.

Of that, I have no doubt. Fundamentally, I've learned that humans gonna human.

 

[EasternVol]

You can't reduce greed. If a society has the will, they can starve it by denying elitism and class privilege. But it will just hibernate, awaiting circumstances favoring its return. And humans will always create/accept opportunities to satisfy their Jerry McGuire trait. We have a collective tendency of no matter how much we got, we always want more. Greed, you see, is the central column of capitalism. It refuses to be reduced. To get rid of it, you have to kill it. But the dastardly thing about greed is, it resurrects itself.

Greed is, I guess for this discussion, wanting more than one's 'fair share'. Capitalism is just private ownership of means of production. Greed is not the central column nor the root of capitalism, private property is. Greed as a human trait existed long before economic systems came into being. As an aside, if you want a system that really encouraged greed, look at mercantilism. Capitalism does run on profits, but I think we all agree that aiming for fair profit is not greed (sure there's debate about what is fair).

 

[Vol8188]

I completely disagree.

Do you think Ford, GMC, or any other company sells you a car based on their greed or benevolence?

Does Kroger, food lion, etc sell you groceries based on their greed or benevolence?

It’s greed that provides the privileged life you live

 

[hog88]

We need to return to a culture that teaches that it is bad and not something that is appropriate and even beneficial.
You can't eliminate it but you can certainly reduce it.......and increase the scorn with which the greedy are viewed.
And certainly never admired.

Return to a culture? When was "that it is bad and not something that is appropriate and even beneficial" ever taught?

 

[hog88]

Greed is, I guess for this discussion, wanting more than one's 'fair share'. Capitalism is just private ownership of means of production. Greed is not the central column nor the root of capitalism, private property is. Greed as a human trait existed long before economic systems came into being. As an aside, if you want a system that really encouraged greed, look at mercantilism. Capitalism does run on profits, but I think we all agree that a aiming for fair profit is not greed (sure there's debate about what is fair).

I despise the term "fair share". Can you define what that is and if you can you will be the first on this board.

 

[Vol8188]

Greed is, I guess for this discussion, wanting more than one's 'fair share'. Capitalism is just private ownership of means of production. Greed is not the central column nor the root of capitalism, private property is. Greed as a human trait existed long before economic systems came into being. As an aside, if you want a system that really encouraged greed, look at mercantilism. Capitalism does run on profits, but I think we all agree that a aiming for fair profit is not greed (sure there's debate about what is fair).

Greed is simply the desire for more. Not “more than your fair share”.

Neither you nor I know how to calculate our “fair share”. So if we desire more money, property, food, anything, that desire is greed.

 

[Vol8188]

I despise the term "fair share". Can you define what that is and if you can you will be the first on this board.

I’d love to know how he calculates his fair share

 

[hog88]

Greed is simply the desire for more. Not “more than your fair share”.

Neither you nor I know how to calculate our “fair share”. So if we desire more money, property, food, anything, that desire is greed.

I would define greed as wanting more than you need. But that begs the question "what do you need"?

 

[Vol8188]

I would define greed as wanting more than you need. But that begs the question "what do you need"?

And the truth is we all want/receive more than we need.

 

[luthervol]

Do you think Ford, GMC, or any other company sells you a car based on their greed or benevolence?

Does Kroger, food lion, etc sell you groceries based on their greed or benevolence?

It’s greed that provides the privileged life you live

Your complete misunderstanding comes from your lack of awareness of the vast area between greed and benevolence.

 

[luthervol]

Return to a culture? When was "that it is bad and not something that is appropriate and even beneficial" ever taught?

Forever, until it started being chipped away about 40 years ago.

 

[Vol8188]

Your complete misunderstanding comes from your lack of awareness of the vast area between greed and benevolence.

Explain then. Why do car manufacturers exist? I would say they exist because their founders and current ceos all want more than they need (to borrow from Hog).

Why is that not greed?

 

[85SugarVol]

I completely disagree.

What gave rise to Society?

 

[hog88]

And the truth is we all want/receive more than we need.

Absolutely. Or well maybe not, I need a bigger, faster boat.

 

[luthervol]

Explain then. Why do car manufacturers exist? I would say they exist because their founders and current ceos all want more than they need (to borrow from Hog).

Why is that not greed?

I provided two definitions yesterday.....go back and look.

And they exist to make a profit, which is perfectly fine and acceptable.

 

[hog88]

Forever, until it started being chipped away about 40 years ago.

Bullshot, we used to admire the Titans of industry, the men who built America. Now you want to disparage them because they were greedy. Their greed built this country.

 

[85SugarVol]

Forever, until it started being chipped away about 40 years ago.

Ah, Wall Street. A seminal moment.

 

[Vol8188]

I provided two definitions yesterday.....go back and look.

And they exist to make a profit, which is perfectly fine and acceptable.

That profit is more than they need, is it not?

And the definition you provided is only your own.

 

[luthervol]

I despise the term "fair share". Can you define what that is and if you can you will be the first on this board.

It's what a impartial group of reasonable people would deem it to be.

10 people are stranded on a lifeboat in the middle of the ocean with one gallon of water. I'm pretty sure they could come to a consensus on what a fair share of the water would be.

 

[luthervol]

Bullshot, we used to admire the Titans of industry, the men who built America. Now you want to disparage them because they were greedy. Their greed built this country.

Bullshot.........if you think those Titans were universally and always admired you're nuts.
Much of what they did was admired, when greed took them to far with some of their decisions, they were rightfully called out.

 

[luthervol]

That profit is more than they need, is it not?

And the definition you provided is only your own.

Nope.
And neither definition I provided was my own.

 

[Vol8188]

Nope.
And neither definition I provided was my own.

Show me. I don’t see it.

 

[hog88]

It's what a impartial group of reasonable people would deem it to be.

10 people are stranded on a lifeboat in the middle of the ocean with one gallon of water. I'm pretty sure they could come to a consensus on what a fair share of the water would be.

Ah yes, I agree. But what if 1 of them had the know how and ability to build a desalinization system that produced a gallon per day. Does that guy deserve a bigger "share" of the water?

 

[luthervol]

Ah yes, I agree. But what if 1 of them had the know how and ability to build a desalinization system that produced a gallon per day. Does that guy deserve a bigger "share" of the water?

Good chance. If he can build it in time for it to make a difference.