Special Dispensation to Punch Your Children

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For someone who claims to be doing things according to God's will, Marcus sure has no problem throwing around "homo".
 
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I heard once the most homophobic people are secretly gay but try to deny their homosexuality out of fear. Perhaps using marcusluvsvols as his screenname is his subconscious telling him he likes hot sweaty men.
 
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Weezer said:
I heard once the most homophobic people are secretly gay but try to deny their homosexuality out of fear. Perhaps using marcusluvsvols as his screenname is his subconscious telling him he likes hot sweaty men.
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Weezer said:
I heard once the most homophobic people are secretly gay but try to deny their homosexuality out of fear. Perhaps using marcusluvsvols as his screenname is his subconscious telling him he likes hot sweaty men.
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For about the 59th time...I'm not homophobic nor do I care what they do in their bedrooms. Honestly don't care if their civil unions have every "benefit" of a marriage. Just standing on what I believe. Marriage= 1 man 1 woman and God. Also, I haven't personally criticized any particular gay person, their lifestyles, etc. Nor have I criticized posters who don't share my views. Thanks for taking a shot at me personally just bc you don't see this issue the same way I do. Stay classy bro.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
For about the 59th time...I'm not homophobic nor do I care what they do in their bedrooms. Honestly don't care if their civil unions have every "benefit" of a marriage. Just standing on what I believe. Marriage= 1 man 1 woman and God. Also, I haven't personally criticized any particular gay person, their lifestyles, etc. Nor have I criticized posters who don't share my views. Thanks for taking a shot at me personally just bc you don't see this issue the same way I do. Stay classy bro.
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You're welcome.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
For about the 59th time...I'm not homophobic nor do I care what they do in their bedrooms. Honestly don't care if their civil unions have every "benefit" of a marriage. Just standing on what I believe. Marriage= 1 man 1 woman and God. Also, I haven't personally criticized any particular gay person, their lifestyles, etc. Nor have I criticized posters who don't share my views. Thanks for taking a shot at me personally just bc you don't see this issue the same way I do. Stay classy bro.
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The Book that you rely on to worship your God explicitly allows polygamy in the Old Testament and never expressly forbids it in the New Testament; the only restraint on polygamy is as it regards the clergy.

Moreover, your religious beliefs should not dictate the actions of others; feeling that they should and actively working to enforce compliance not only goes against the very ideals that American was founded on and stands for but even goes against the the ideals expressed in the New Testament. Nothing in the New Testament encourages coercion or state action to make non-believers comply with the demands of believers.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
For about the 59th time...I'm not homophobic nor do I care what they do in their bedrooms. Honestly don't care if their civil unions have every "benefit" of a marriage. Just standing on what I believe. Marriage= 1 man 1 woman and God. Also, I haven't personally criticized any particular gay person, their lifestyles, etc. Nor have I criticized posters who don't share my views. Thanks for taking a shot at me personally just bc you don't see this issue the same way I do. Stay classy bro.
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this type of thinking is no different than muslims not wanting non muslims to draw the prophet.

guess what,they might not have the same religious beliefs,why should they have to follow your rules.
 
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therealUT said:
The Book that you rely on to worship your God explicitly allows polygamy in the Old Testament and never expressly forbids it in the New Testament; the only restraint on polygamy is as it regards the clergy.

Moreover, your religious beliefs should not dictate the actions of others; feeling that they should and actively working to enforce compliance not only goes against the very ideals that American was founded on and stands for but even goes against the the ideals expressed in the New Testament. Nothing in the New Testament encourages coercion or state action to make non-believers comply with the demands of believers.
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TRUT, marcus doesn't give a damn about any of that. Marcus and his clerics would prefer to establish a theocracy based only on THEIR interpretation of their holy book. All others, Americans, Christians, Jews, etc. be damned.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Its short for homosexual...surely you never short words typing from your phone? Pretty sure homo is PC
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I'm fully aware of what it's short for. I'm also aware that homo is usually used in a more aggressive manner and that a "homo" would probably not take too well to being addressed as such.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
For about the 59th time...I'm not homophobic nor do I care what they do in their bedrooms. Honestly don't care if their civil unions have every "benefit" of a marriage. Just standing on what I believe. Marriage= 1 man 1 woman and God. Also, I haven't personally criticized any particular gay person, their lifestyles, etc. Nor have I criticized posters who don't share my views. Thanks for taking a shot at me personally just bc you don't see this issue the same way I do. Stay classy bro.
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what about two agnostics/atheists (man and woman for the sake of argument) who are married via a Justice O' the Peace? Is that marriage any less valid in your eyes?

or how about your ideal marriage performed by a homosexual minister?
 
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MG1968 said:
what about two agnostics/atheists (man and woman for the sake of argument) who are married via a Justice O' the Peace? Is that marriage any less valid in your eyes?

or how about your ideal marriage performed by a homosexual minister?
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The first one is a good question. Not sure but it seems legit. Ill have to think about that. Seems like it meets the criteria.

As far as the second one goes, I would seriously question the credibility of a gay "minister". Pastors are held to an even higher standard than believers are by God. For someone to be in a leadership position, responsible for setting an example for the congregation and delivering messages that are divinely inspired..I don't believe you could be living a lifestyle of open rebellion and disobedience and perform that duty in the way God intends it. The Bible says sin blinds you and that the Holy Spirit will not dwell where there is unrepented sin. I don't see how a pastor could be walking closely with the Lord and commiting willful acts of direct disobedience on a daily basis. I would never look to a gay pastor for leadership anymore than I would an alcoholic, drug user, pathological liar, adulterer, etc. I expect a man of God to be above a life of sin. We all sin. I certainly do. If a person can continually sin though and not feel serious conviction, that is an indication of a lack of salvation.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
The first one is a good question. Not sure but it seems legit. Ill have to think about that. Seems like it meets the criteria.

As far as the second one goes, I would seriously question the credibility of a gay "minister". Pastors are held to an even higher standard than believers are by God. For someone to be in a leadership position, responsible for setting an example for the congregation and delivering messages that are divinely inspired..I don't believe you could be living a lifestyle of open rebellion and disobedience and perform that duty in the way God intends it. The Bible says sin blinds you and that the Holy Spirit will not dwell where there is unrepented sin. I don't see how a pastor could be walking closely with the Lord and commiting willful acts of direct disobedience on a daily basis. I would never look to a gay pastor for leadership anymore than I would an alcoholic, drug user, pathological liar, adulterer, etc. I expect a man of God to be above a life of sin. We all sin. I certainly do. If a person can continually sin though and not feel serious conviction, that is an indication of a lack of salvation.
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wow, ok. I suppose I was expecting a response worthy of Westboro Baptist Church and you didn't disappoint.

btw, are you cool with female ministers?
 
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MG1968 said:
wow, ok. I suppose I was expecting a response worthy of Westboro Baptist Church and you didn't disappoint.

btw, are you cool with female ministers?
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I meant what I said. Particularly the part you bolded. Many in this forum are quick to point out that homosexuality is no different than any other sin when it suits their argument. They are correct. A pastor is supposed to be above a life of sin. Period. No church in their right mind would be led by a pastor that drank daily, used drugs daily, lied all the time, etc. They would have to be out of their minds to be led by a pastor who practiced gay sex as a lifestyle. Pastors don't " live in sin". Its a job requirement. Period. Any pastor that's worth his salt will tell you that and openly criticize those who attempt to do so. A man cannot serve 2 masters.. its like night and day. Heaven or Hell. There is no in between. That's not my opinion, it is Gods word. People can choose to believe it or not. They, and I , will be judged either way. An eternity in either Heaven or Hell is the reward. I invite you to show me scripture that contradicts anything I just said. To you it may be "sensationalism" . To me its the plain truth.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
I meant what I said. Particularly the part you bolded. Many in this forum are quick to point out that homosexuality is no different than any other sin when it suits their argument. They are correct. A pastor is supposed to be above a life of sin. Period. No church in their right mind would be led by a pastor that drank daily, used drugs daily, lied all the time, etc. They would have to be out of their minds to be led by a pastor who practiced gay sex as a lifestyle. Pastors don't " live in sin". Its a job requirement. Period. Any pastor that's worth his salt will tell you that and openly criticize those who attempt to do so. A man cannot serve 2 masters.. its like night and day. Heaven or Hell. There is no in between. That's not my opinion, it is Gods word. People can choose to believe it or not. They, and I , will be judged either way. An eternity in either Heaven or Hell is the reward. I invite you to show me scripture that contradicts anything I just said. To you it may be "sensationalism" . To me its the plain truth.
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With regard to the bolded text, is it possible, from a Christian perspective, for any non-god human to live without sin? If not, then no Pastor is above a life of sin. If all sins are equal (which you appear to allude to in the statement preceding the bolded text), then that means that a homosexual Pastor would be living in just as much sin as any other Pastor.
 
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therealUT said:
With regard to the bolded text, is it possible, from a Christian perspective, for any non-god human to live without sin? If not, then no Pastor is above a life of sin. If all sins are equal (which you appear to allude to in the statement preceding the bolded text), then that means that a homosexual Pastor would be living in just as much sin as any other Pastor.
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Here we go
 
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therealUT said:
With regard to the bolded text, is it possible, from a Christian perspective, for any non-god human to live without sin? If not, then no Pastor is above a life of sin. If all sins are equal (which you appear to allude to in the statement preceding the bolded text), then that means that a homosexual Pastor would be living in just as much sin as any other Pastor.
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Every person, every pastor sins occasinally. That is understood. The only sinless person ever was JC. a pastor does not willfully commit the same sin day in day out.... whether that be alcohol, drugs, homosexuality etc. If your pastor drinks a 12 pack every day...you need a new pastor. If he has sex with another man, and tells you that its ok....he is lying and you need a new pastor. Period. This is not some new idea....or fringe belief. The only protestant church that ever accepted gay clergy is the Presbyterians...they just started doing it and many many many have left the churches bc of it. Letting your family be led by someone who lives directly the opposite of how God tells him to is insane.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Here we go
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OE. You know His word. You gonna sit under a preacher who drinks a 12 or has sex with a man every day? Do you think a pastor living a lifestyle of willful disobedience has Gods ear? Does God not say He will not dwell where there is sin? Does He not say you should judge a person on the fruits they bare? If your child is on their deathbed would you count on a homosexual pastor to lead them to Christ or to pray in earnest for them to get better? If you would then you're a damn fool. And I meant that.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
I meant what I said. Particularly the part you bolded. Many in this forum are quick to point out that homosexuality is no different than any other sin when it suits their argument. They are correct. A pastor is supposed to be above a life of sin. Period. No church in their right mind would be led by a pastor that drank daily, used drugs daily, lied all the time, etc. They would have to be out of their minds to be led by a pastor who practiced gay sex as a lifestyle. Pastors don't " live in sin". Its a job requirement. Period. Any
pastor that's worth his salt will tell you that and openly criticize those who attempt to do so. A man cannot serve 2 masters.. its like night and day. Heaven or Hell. There is no in between. That's not my opinion, it is Gods word. People can choose to believe it or not. They, and I , will be judged either way. An eternity in either Heaven or Hell is the
reward. I invite you to show me scripture that contradicts anything I just said. To you it may be "sensationalism" . To me its the plain truth.
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No man lives above sin. A pastor is just a man. He sins same as everyone else.

There are some strict quailfications for pastors and deacons.

I like you, would not attend a church that the pastor was a homosexual, drunk, adulter etc. The pastors needs to live a life that others can see that he is a man of God.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
OE. You know His word. You gonna sit under a preacher who drinks a 12 or has sex with a man every day? Do you think a pastor living a lifestyle of willful disobedience has Gods ear? Does God not say He will not dwell where there is sin? Does He not say you should judge a person on the fruits they bare? If your child is on their deathbed would you count on a homosexual pastor to lead them to Christ or to pray in earnest for them to get better? If you would then you're a damn fool. And I meant that.
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Wow, off the deep end.

I referenced your occassionally statement and said you are naive if you believe pastors occassionally sin. You have too much faith in a man.

Not quite sure what the rant is about
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
OE. You know His word. You gonna sit under a preacher who drinks a 12 or has sex with a man every day? Do you think a pastor living a lifestyle of willful disobedience has Gods ear? Does God not say He will not dwell where there is sin? Does He not say you should judge a person on the fruits they bare? If your child is on their deathbed would you count on a homosexual pastor to lead them to Christ or to pray in earnest for them to get better? If you would then you're a damn fool. And I meant that.
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What happenned to "judge not lest ye be judged"? How about, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"?
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
I meant what I said. Particularly the part you bolded. Many in this forum are quick to point out that homosexuality is no different than any other sin when it suits their argument. They are correct. A pastor is supposed to be above a life of sin. Period. No church in their right mind would be led by a pastor that drank daily, used drugs daily, lied all the time, etc. They would have to be out of their minds to be led by a pastor who practiced gay sex as a lifestyle. Pastors don't " live in sin". Its a job requirement. Period. Any pastor that's worth his salt will tell you that and openly criticize those who attempt to do so. A man cannot serve 2 masters.. its like night and day. Heaven or Hell. There is no in between. That's not my opinion, it is Gods word. People can choose to believe it or not. They, and I , will be judged either way. An eternity in either Heaven or Hell is the reward. I invite you to show me scripture that contradicts anything I just said. To you it may be "sensationalism" . To me its the plain truth.
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ok, Mr. Phelps, fair enough. How about answering my question regarding female clergy.
 
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Weezer said:
What happenned to "judge not lest ye be judged"? How about, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"?
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I think he was referencing the " You can tell a tree by the fruit it bears" verse
 
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While I do believe in God, what baffles me is blind devotion to a book written by men that has been edited time and again for centuries. The Bible is full of contradictions and passages open to a plethora of interpretations. Are there some basic tenets of morality in it? Yes, but it is not the end all, be all of how life should be lived. Life is not meant to be about hatred or denying other people happiness. Control how you live your life and let others choose how to live theirs. As long as they are not infringing upon the rights of others, why interfere? Why deny them happiness and equality? To me, that's the key. They are not asking to be treated differently, just equally. Denying them that is bigotry. You put yourself above them. It's a different form of segregation. It's a social war being fought in God's name. God is perfectly able to speak for himself and will do so to us all come Judgement Day. Until then, "love thy neighbor".
 
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