Spurrier to Miami speculation . . .

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hatvol96 said:
Exactly. There's no reason for Fisher to leave the NFL. As soon as the Titans terminate him, he'll have teams lined up at his door.
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The Titans would be stupid to fire jeff, from what I understand, Fisher is still Bud's guy no matter the present record
 
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rexvol said:
The Titans would be stupid to fire jeff, from what I understand, Fisher is still Bud's guy no matter the present record
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It's not really about firing him, his contract is up after next season and if the Cowboys come calling Fisher would be silly not to trust his car to the man who owns the Star....
 
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hatvol96 said:
Not yet. I'd be surprised if Coker doesn't step away from coaching. The person who should be nervous about Butch Davis putting together a staff is The Great O. He made a big production of bringing in the ex-Cane coaches that Coker fired after last season. I'd say those guys would be amneable to following Davis to Chapel Hill.
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he should be nervous, he seems to be an ace recruiter, but can he coach? I just believe that given enough time the big "O" will self-destruct
 
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UM would be an extremely tough job to take on right now. The institution clearly wants to overhaul the image of the team. With the problems they have had this year, the university itself is a lot more focused on improving the reputation of the team and the school than it is on performance. Not saying it isn't important to win, but I imagine the administration wants someone who will come in and put a fresh and very affirming face on the program from this point forward. A real change in direction.

Meanwhile, the fans of that team are more focused on getting back to winning. Some probably even wouldn't mind it if the thug swagger were promoted, if it meant good recruiting and winning again. Not all, mind you, but some surely feel this way.

The tension between those two goals will be tough to resolve in the first 3-4 years, which is the rebuilding time UM is looking at here, minimum. Zook came in after Spurrier at Florida and was the transition guy to Meyer. But that was all about winning, not changing the image of the team or the school.

Whoever comes in at UM will have to be very tough and get very lucky and win early, in order to survive the likely criticism of being too vanilla for the UM image. I think the administration will support it, but the fan base won't tolerate it for long.

I think it is a trap job and only someone willing to risk a significant career setback for a few years would take it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
UM would be an extremely tough job to take on right now. The institution clearly wants to overhaul the image of the team. With the problems they have had this year, the university itself is a lot more focused on improving the reputation of the team and the school than it is on performance. Not saying it isn't important to win, but I imagine the administration wants someone who will come in and put a fresh and very affirming face on the program from this point forward. A real change in direction.

Meanwhile, the fans of that team are more focused on getting back to winning. Some probably even wouldn't mind it if the thug swagger were promoted, if it meant good recruiting and winning again. Not all, mind you, but some surely feel this way.

The tension between those two goals will be tough to resolve in the first 3-4 years, which is the rebuilding time UM is looking at here, minimum. Zook came in after Spurrier at Florida and was the transition guy to Meyer. But that was all about winning, not changing the image of the team or the school.

Whoever comes in at UM will have to be very tough and get very lucky and win early, in order to survive the likely criticism of being too vanilla for the UM image. I think the administration will support it, but the fan base won't tolerate it for long.

I think it is a trap job and only someone willing to risk a significant career setback for a few years would take it.
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Join the real world. Shalala will pay lip service to image. She knows results drive the bottom line. The "U" will hire someone to win games, not PR contests.
 
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lawgator1 said:
UM would be an extremely tough job to take on right now. The institution clearly wants to overhaul the image of the team. With the problems they have had this year, the university itself is a lot more focused on improving the reputation of the team and the school than it is on performance. Not saying it isn't important to win, but I imagine the administration wants someone who will come in and put a fresh and very affirming face on the program from this point forward. A real change in direction.

Meanwhile, the fans of that team are more focused on getting back to winning. Some probably even wouldn't mind it if the thug swagger were promoted, if it meant good recruiting and winning again. Not all, mind you, but some surely feel this way.

The tension between those two goals will be tough to resolve in the first 3-4 years, which is the rebuilding time UM is looking at here, minimum. Zook came in after Spurrier at Florida and was the transition guy to Meyer. But that was all about winning, not changing the image of the team or the school.

Whoever comes in at UM will have to be very tough and get very lucky and win early, in order to survive the likely criticism of being too vanilla for the UM image. I think the administration will support it, but the fan base won't tolerate it for long.

I think it is a trap job and only someone willing to risk a significant career setback for a few years would take it.
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Good points, having said all that do you think SP would be a good fit for Miami?
 
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hatvol96 said:
Join the real world. Shalala will pay lip service to image. She knows results drive the bottom line. The "U" will hire someone to win games, not PR contests.
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I don't agree at all. I think you will see them really work hard to reinvent themselves. They (administration) looked shell shocked after the FIU game. The team is in disarray since then. They had a player get killed. For the long term success of that program and the image of the university as a whole, they've got to get someone in there who will discipline with an iron fist and exude a strong sense of morality and fair play.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Join the real world. Shalala will pay lip service to image. She knows results drive the bottom line. The "U" will hire someone to win games, not PR contests.
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True UM wont be down long. Here is a great Question. Which team restores their program first, Fla St. or UM?
 
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finevol said:
True UM wont be down long. Here is a great Question. Which team restores their program first, Fla St. or UM?
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Measured from the time Bowden leaves to the time FSU is a BCS contender again, versus the time from when Coker leaves to when Miami is a BCS contender again, hands down FSU gets it done much, much quicker.

Whoever comes in at FSU will be given a real chance to succeed and he will be replacing a guy that everyone knows has just gotten too far along in years. But whoever takes on that Miami job must cleanse that program from top to bottom and create a whole new image. And win fast. In fact, I doubt seriously that whoever takes over there at UM will be around long enought to see a realistic shot at a BCS title game.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't agree at all. I think you will see them really work hard to reinvent themselves. They (administration) looked shell shocked after the FIU game. The team is in disarray since then. They had a player get killed. For the long term success of that program and the image of the university as a whole, they've got to get someone in there who will discipline with an iron fist and exude a strong sense of morality and fair play.
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Donna Shalala is already wildly unpopular with the alums. A poor hire in this situation will be a one way ticket to the unemployment line.
 
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thats one of the best posts i've seen on here, law. all great points. i hope they do as you say, maybe even take notes on your post. lol. they definitely have an image to clean up and i agree that any coach looking at that job will NEED to be there for the long haul---but the fans wont tolerate it. good job by you.:eek:k:
 
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orange+white=heaven said:
It's not really about firing him, his contract is up after next season and if the Cowboys come calling Fisher would be silly not to trust his car to the man who owns the Star....
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Fisher had better be prepared to win a superbowl every year if he's going to live without the job security Bud gives him
 
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hatvol96 said:
Donna Shalala is already wildly unpopular with the alums. A poor hire in this situation will be a one way ticket to the unemployment line.
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So they are going to force her out and pressure UM to hire someone who will try to resurrect the thug image? I don't think so. If the alumni value winning so much that they are unaware of the reputation of that place anywhere north of the Broward-Palm Beach County line, then they deserve what they get.

I have got to think they are smarter than that and, looking at the long-term, realize they are in for a rocky road for a bit. It is inevitable.

If the "U" wants to be known for a strong and discipliend program and also for decent academics -- instead of viewed as the American version of going to college in Grenada or Port Au Prince -- they are going to have to suck it up and work their way back to the top with coaches who value and promote character as much as a faster 40-yard speed.
 
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i'd like to hear thoughts on bowden's time left in FSU and the Richt replacing him rumor. this may be worthy of another thread..... just thought I'd throw that out there.
 
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OrangeU said:
thats one of the best posts i've seen on here, law. all great points. i hope they do as you say, maybe even take notes on your post. lol. they definitely have an image to clean up and i agree that any coach looking at that job will NEED to be there for the long haul---but the fans wont tolerate it. good job by you.:eek:k:
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Well, the problem is they really don't understand how bad the image is outside of their enclave down there. I cannot imagine being a parent of a high school girl and having her walk in and say she's thinking about going to the University of Miami.

I'd ban it. And if she went anyway, I'd make her take a three week basic training course and get her concealed firearms permit. That plus I'd make her buy $80 million of uninsured motorist protection.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Well, the problem is they really don't understand how bad the image is outside of their enclave down there. I cannot imagine being a parent of a high school girl and having her walk in and say she's thinking about going to the University of Miami.

I'd ban it. And if she went anyway, I'd make her take a three week basic training course and get her concealed firearms permit. That plus I'd make her buy $80 million of uninsured motorist protection.
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Its so easy a caveman can do it:)
 
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No matter what the depth of image problems may be at Miami, it is now, and will continue to be, one of the most appealing jobs in the college game. A good hire will not be as tough a sell as some think. And coaches are always just big enough ego hounds to believe they are the ones to make the fix. The rewards for success at Miami are greater than all but a very few schools, and that is a very sexy draw....

Just ask Tuberville, I'm sure he feels it's a job he could handle...
 
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lawgator1 said:
So they are going to force her out and pressure UM to hire someone who will try to resurrect the thug image? I don't think so. If the alumni value winning so much that they are unaware of the reputation of that place anywhere north of the Broward-Palm Beach County line, then they deserve what they get.

I have got to think they are smarter than that and, looking at the long-term, realize they are in for a rocky road for a bit. It is inevitable.

If the "U" wants to be known for a strong and discipliend program and also for decent academics -- instead of viewed as the American version of going to college in Grenada or Port Au Prince -- they are going to have to suck it up and work their way back to the top with coaches who value and promote character as much as a faster 40-yard speed.
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1. Miami has had fewer off the field problems than any major power in the last decade. The only people who buy into the "Thug Image" are idiots who don't bother to deal in actual facts and the douchebag fans of the backwater schools in the Sunshine State.
2. When the University of Florida at Redneck Heaven has US News and World Reports #1 ranked MBA program, or incoming SAT scores comparable with the "U', you can talk. Until then, don't say anything. It gives away the ignorance of the average Gator fan/grad.
3. Miami is already regarded as a prestigious school in business and academic circles. I seriously doubt they need advice on how to run their university from supporters of the Glorified Junior College to the North.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Well, the problem is they really don't understand how bad the image is outside of their enclave down there. I cannot imagine being a parent of a high school girl and having her walk in and say she's thinking about going to the University of Miami.

I'd ban it. And if she went anyway, I'd make her take a three week basic training course and get her concealed firearms permit. That plus I'd make her buy $80 million of uninsured motorist protection.
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Without a doubt, the most laughable post of all time. I'll be willing to wager that the crime rate in Coral Gables is lower than that of Gainesville. Typical backwater thinking. You rubes just stay up north and leave the only real city in Florida to the human beings. Isn't there a klan rally or a Molly Hatchet concert to keep you people busy in Gainesville?
 
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