Star Worshipping

#76
#76
Lord Vader said:
we will have 3 or 4 move up based on probability.

we will sign 5 or 6 guys who are already 4stars.

and now we are solidly in the top 15 and approaching a top 10 class.
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I agree. Definitely top 15.

Last year we finished No. 9 and had

1 - 5 star
12 - 4 stars
9 - 3 stars
4 - 2 stars

I didn't count Darr being a 3 star, because he came late and didn't affect our ranking.
 
#77
#77
Lord Vader said:
we will have 3 or 4 move up based on probability.

we will sign 5 or 6 guys who are already 4stars.

and now we are solidly in the top 15 and approaching a top 10 class.
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Indianavol4eva said:
approaching a top 10 class? what on earth are you basing that on...?
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He's not to far off, IMO. If we have 3 or 4 move up along with 5 or 6 already 4 stars, that gives us 8 - 10. Last year we had 12 - 4 stars and finished top 10. Yes we had a 5 star but also 4 - 2 stars.
 
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#78
#78
g8terh8ter_eric said:
I'm not "happy", but I'm glad that it's on a MUCH more stable foundation than it has been in the past 2-4 years. Makes me feel somewhat better.
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No one knows if it's on a more stable foundation or not. If Dooley sucks, he'll be gone in a couple years. And that question has yet to be answered.
 
#79
#79
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Happens at EVERY program, just some programs are sitting in hotbeds of talent and the difference between that talent is marginal at best. People freaking out about any rankings in July shouldn't be at all.
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this guy isnt freaking out about any rankings yet. im just tired of people deciding stars dont matter to them anymore simply because we dont have anyone higher than a 3* commited. thats rediculous. yeah, stars arent everything, and 3*s occasionally turn into great players. but its getting to the point where people almost seem happy that we dont have any 4* or 5*. its just getting on my nerves, and i am not normally even a negavol!
 
#80
#80
it's getting my nerves that people keep ragging on the 3stars that still have a year of football left to play.
 
#81
#81
LawVol13 said:
No one knows if it's on a more stable foundation or not. If Dooley sucks, he'll be gone in a couple years. And that question has yet to be answered.
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So, it's better to just not have an opinion at all until all the questions are answered?? That doesn't sound like very much fun at all, in fact, it sounds like trying to just be right all the time. Sorry, I'll have my opinions, because right or wrong, I enjoy discussing things on here, even if I do catch hell from a certain set of posters who do the same thing that you are saying here.
 
#82
#82
Indianavol4eva said:
this guy isnt freaking out about any rankings yet. im just tired of people deciding stars dont matter to them anymore simply because we dont have anyone higher than a 3* commited. thats rediculous. yeah, stars arent everything, and 3*s occasionally turn into great players. but its getting to the point where people almost seem happy that we dont have any 4* or 5*. its just getting on my nerves, and i am not normally even a negavol!
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Stars don't matter until NSD, that better?? :p
 
#83
#83
TXVOL07 said:
Sure Freak. Havent you heard what great things Urban and Nick have said about Dooley? They sounded happy.
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Other coaches sound happy about Tennessee's situation? I'm reminded of the Wade Houston era.

g8terh8ter_eric said:
I'm not "happy", but I'm glad that it's on a MUCH more stable foundation than it has been in the past 2-4 years. Makes me feel somewhat better.
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Stable foundation? By that, I assume you mean a coach that isn't a threat to leave?
 
#84
#84
Lord Vader said:
it's getting my nerves that people keep ragging on the 3stars that still have a year of football left to play.
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im not ragging on anyone. all i am saying is that sometimes a 3* isnt a high character guy or a diamond in the rough. sometimes we just have to settle for them and thats fine. no one knows how they will turn out for sure anyways.

g8terh8ter_eric said:
Stars don't matter until NSD, that better?? :p
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no but thanks for trying. lulz i think im done with this argument for now.
 
#86
#86
utvolpj said:
does it really matter since this is pretty much all about star ratings? You can knock them but they match up with the teams winning titles.
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You totally ignored the question. What came first, star ratings or college football recruiting?

Star ratings are what some fans use to make themselves feel important on message boards.
 
#87
#87
Freak said:
Stable foundation? By that, I assume you mean a coach that isn't a threat to leave?
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That's a pretty good start right now. That, and a young and up and coming DC that has HC potential in a few years. It's looking better to me day by day. If your always worried about your HC leaving, then your not going to do well on the recruiting trail. Now, it happens, but most coaches stick around for at least 5+ years if they are truly successful.
 
#88
#88
Other than Dooley saying he wants high character guys, can someone tell me one thing about each verbal that makes them a "high character" prospect?
 
#90
#90
g8terh8ter_eric said:
That's a pretty good start right now. That, and a young and up and coming DC that has HC potential in a few years. It's looking better to me day by day. If your always worried about your HC leaving, then your not going to do well on the recruiting trail. Now, it happens, but most coaches stick around for at least 5+ years if they are truly successful.
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I'm not sure I agree that Tennessee is on a stable foundation. Not yet anyway. But I certainly agree that it's difficult to build a stable program without consistent leadership at the top.
 
#91
#91
Tux said:
You totally ignored the question. What came first, star ratings or college football recruiting?

Star ratings are what some fans use to make themselves feel important on message boards.
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You think you have a better point than you really do.

Just because the NFL Draft came before mock drafts and Mel Kiper doesn't change the fact that guys that go higher in the draft are typically better than ones that go lower in the draft.

Schools have always had to recruit elite talent relative to the era and if a star system was in place 50 years ago the better teams would still have been signing 4 and 5 star talent.

You don't think Doug Atkins would have been a 5* player back in the day?
 
#92
#92
g8terh8ter_eric said:
That's a pretty good start right now. That, and a young and up and coming DC that has HC potential in a few years. It's looking better to me day by day. If your always worried about your HC leaving, then your not going to do well on the recruiting trail. Now, it happens, but most coaches stick around for at least 5+ years if they are truly successful.
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At this time last year Kiffin was a threat to leave?
 
#93
#93
Talent has always been an important part of sports. However, the creation of the star system was done to separate the gullible from their disposable income. The gullible buyers of the star information then in turn try to use it to insert themselves into the conversation and claim it to be the gospel reason for success. Its the only thing that many of them can grasp when it comes to college football.
 
#94
#94
Tux said:
Talent has always been an important part of sports. However, the creation of the star system was done to separate the gullible from their disposable income. The gullible buyers of the star information then in turn try to use it to insert themselves into the conversation and claim it to be the gospel reason for success. Its the only thing that many of them can grasp when it comes to college football.
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How is a subscription to Volquest any different than one to the News Sentinel or Sports Illustrated? Are all those people gullible as well?

Can you name these people?
 
#96
#96
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Kiffin was always a threat to leave. It wasn't a question of if, but when for him. Everyone said this.
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More a question of "if" anyone with a job better than UT's would have any reason to offer him. There wasn't a lot of reason to expect that to happen.
 
#97
#97
kptvol said:
More a question of "if" anyone with a job better than UT's would have any reason to offer him. There wasn't a lot of reason to expect that to happen.
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It was speculated that anywhere from 2-5 years was the window for him and/or his staff. So, like I said, it was a matter or if, but when.
 
#99
#99
g8terh8ter_eric said:
It was speculated that anywhere from 2-5 years was the window for him and/or his staff. So, like I said, it was a matter or if, but when.
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Two years? That was not on anyone's mind. He was never a long term guy, there is no doubt but unless it was because he got fired the over/under was at least 5 years.
 
#100
#100
JZVOL said:
Not one person thought going into last year he was a threat to leave after one year. 5 years? Yes, but certainly not one.
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Alas, the perfect storm happened and that unprofessional prick stepped away from a challenge and into 2 more million per year and a loaded roster. Then, he got hammered with sanctions. Couldn't have happened to a better guy. Plus, I'm not even sure Haden wants him as his "guy". We'll see if Kiffin gets to stick around there very long, I don't think that Haden will play around when it comes to doing things the right way. Of course, he could be just as bad as them and pickup on the cheating train right from the beginning. Who knows at this point, but I still don't like the guy and his ways.
 
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