Still have faith in Cuonzo Martin?

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NYC Vol said:
To be honest with you cal, Stokes's post up game hasn't quite evolved the way I thought it should. While we have to get the ball inside, throwing it into Stokes was often a bad offensive possession unless he was able to get his own offensive rebound. He showed very, very limited low post moves and ability to finish in the post. I hope that changes this year. Stokes shot 53% last year, which is not close to acceptable for a guy that didn't take a shot outside the lane. He's got to improve down there.
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Birdman was 7 for 7 the other night because the pg drew the D. No big man at UT has has a pg in years to direct traffic or get them the ball in scoring position. Yes, Stokes moves are limited, as most 19 yr olds are.
CM would put Stokes with his back to the basket against length instead of giving him room to operate and neither CM or a pg on the floor has proven to understand spacing enough. Then he'd have a wing player on the same side, and a man in the corner, which allowed double teams or help to come from 3 different directions--wing, baseline and back side.
 
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NYC Vol said:
To be honest with you cal, Stokes's post up game hasn't quite evolved the way I thought it should. While we have to get the ball inside, throwing it into Stokes was often a bad offensive possession unless he was able to get his own offensive rebound. He showed very, very limited low post moves and ability to finish in the post. I hope that changes this year. Stokes shot 53% last year, which is not close to acceptable for a guy that didn't take a shot outside the lane. He's got to improve down there.
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I agree.
Once again we're getting into the area of player and team development which seems so lacking.
it's hard to accept because I had the impression these guys were teachers of the game when they came here.
It's evident their level of expertise is limited to the mids.
 
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Martin will make the tournament next year and be t .500 the following year, he'll get one more after that and be fired. As much as I wouldn't mind it, coach Pearl will not be hired back. We'll settle for another up-and-comer and continue our tradition of mediocre basketball. Then someone will wake up and say "if we hire a proven winner and we fill up TBA it will more than make up for the higher salary".

I hope I'm alive to see it.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Martin will make the tournament next year and be t .500 the following year, he'll get one more after that and be fired. As much as I wouldn't mind it, coach Pearl will not be hired back. We'll settle for another up-and-comer and continue our tradition of mediocre basketball. Then someone will wake up and say "if we hire a proven winner and we fill up TBA it will more than make up for the higher salary".

I hope I'm alive to see it.
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Have no fear. Butch is here.
He'll fill the money vaults and reignite the boosters.
A couple of years and we'll be able to afford the big hire.
 
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calban said:
Have no fear. Butch is here.
He'll fill the money vaults and reignite the boosters.
A couple of years and we'll be able to afford the big hire.
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Basketball has the ability to stand on it's own. When the administration realizes this we can be a major player again. Remember Hart hasn't been here when basketball was rocking.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Kelvin Sampson
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I knew u were going to say him.....so one guy is proof that teams wont hire a show cause coach.....u do realize that he coaches in the NBA and is up for two or three openings in the NBA for the head coaching job...Are you sure he would be interested in moving back down again?
 
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volbeast33 said:
I knew u were going to say him.....so one guy is proof that teams wont hire a show cause coach.....u do realize that he coaches in the NBA and is up for two or three openings in the NBA for the head coaching job...Are you sure he would be interested in moving back down again?
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You said name someone so I did. I never said its proof teams won't hire a coach, I think Pearl will get an offer from someone next year, I just don't think it'll be a big time school.

What level of school do you see offering pearl next year?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
The money was there for a big time football hire. Now I do think jones will do great here, but I think Hart lucked into him, clearly wasn't his first choice.
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Have to disagree about the money being here.
The boosters stepped up for football. Less likely for bball.
But, Butch will win. and the money will come.
Guaranteed!
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I have ZERO confidence hart will go out and make a good hire
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I agree with you. He played basketball at Alabama, so that should be his sport of expertise. Instead of going for the hot coach, how about taking a chance on someone like Eric Musselman. He is wanting to go all in on the college game and is an assistant at Arizona State right now. A lot of head coaching experience in the NBA, CBA and D league.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Birdman was 7 for 7 the other night because the pg drew the D. No big man at UT has has a pg in years to direct traffic or get them the ball in scoring position. Yes, Stokes moves are limited, as most 19 yr olds are.
CM would put Stokes with his back to the basket against length instead of giving him room to operate and neither CM or a pg on the floor has proven to understand spacing enough. Then he'd have a wing player on the same side, and a man in the corner, which allowed double teams or help to come from 3 different directions--wing, baseline and back side.
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I hardly think Golden was a great PG but he was 3rd in the SEC in assists and he was a top 70 guard in assist to turnover ratio in the country (which is higher than our team did in any statistical category other than rebounding). Stokes caught the ball a number of times in position to score and simply hesitated or couldn't get the ball in the bucket from close.

I like Stokes a lot and think he can be a stud. But he's got to get better in the post.
 
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NYC Vol said:
I hardly think Golden was a great PG but he was 3rd in the SEC in assists and he was a top 70 guard in assist to turnover ratio in the country (which is higher than our team did in any statistical category other than rebounding). Stokes caught the ball a number of times in position to score and simply hesitated or couldn't get the ball in the bucket from close.

I like Stokes a lot and think he can be a stud. But he's got to get better in the post.
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I swear if he made all his point blank shots he'd average 20. His rebound numbers would take a hit though.
 
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calban said:
Have to disagree about the money being here.
The boosters stepped up for football. Less likely for bball.
But, Butch will win. and the money will come.
Guaranteed!
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I'm saying the money was there for a big time football hire, and hart didn't make it.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I'm saying the money was there for a big time football hire, and hart didn't make it.
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This is true. As long as people show up and spend money when they hire Spongebob Square pants they have no incentive to hire a big name coach. This not a slam on Cuonzo or Butch. Each may turn out to be legendary but no one would consider them big time hires.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You said name someone so I did. I never said its proof teams won't hire a coach, I think Pearl will get an offer from someone next year, I just don't think it'll be a big time school.

What level of school do you see offering pearl next year?
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The main question is... Who will get a coaching job first if Cuonzo gets fired?
 
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SlyStone said:
His next recruiting class is crucial and will be under the microscope. The inkling of a marginal player being offered will diminish the confidence fans have in CCM. He has to get players that can contribute right away.
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I agree. We are the UT.
 
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