Tenn. Senate OKs Bill To Allow Anti-Evolution Talk In Classrooms

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burntorangeVOLffle said:
So marcus, should science classes not present the evidence/facts they have discovered to this point at all? Even if the overall concept is presented as a theory (which it is)?



New article on the topic today.
War Of The Worlds: When Science, Politics Collide : NPR
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This is Awesome LOL. Me and my wife got to talking about this last night. Just think one day in TN schools kids will be taught that while Evolution has all those Funny Talking Fancy Word using people backing it the belief that Xenu kicked Adam and Eve out of the Garden because they shot Muhammads pet T Rex just feels right to the heart.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Me too. The non believers on here would probably picture me as being far different from what I actually am. I am passionate about what I believe but have no intention or desire to push my beliefs on anyone. I fail miserably at the great commision. Your opinions have definitely stimulated my brain. Motivated me to get in the Word. Some of these issues about having never heard the gospel are very complex. So is the story of Job. God took everything from Him.everything imaginable including allowing his children to be slain. Afterwards, he got it back tenfold. Can't tell me he didn't miss the first set of children though....and when he asked the Lord why He did it the Lord said "where were you when I laid the foundations of the world?" Basically said bc I am God and you are not. I can see why unbelievers would question some of these things. They have been lied to and led to believe that the God of the Bible is only a God of unending love. He is also a jealous God (His words) and he is the author and owner of both wrath and vengeance. God is to be loved for sure. He is also to be feared. I think Christians have a better understanding of the fear portion than the world does.
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Your treading in water that most prominent Christian theologians won't touch. Just thought I would let you know.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
So one can be "saved" without accepting Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior?
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time and place.....yes....how can one accept Christ if they do not know he even came to Earth......why do you get hung up on this so bad.......PKT has to accept Christ because he knows of the message of the Gospel.....villagers in who knows where do not
 
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I have no problem with evolution being taught as a theory and not a fact.

I also have no problem with christian not being taught as a fact.

I would have no problem if science classes laid out data for kids and allowed them to come to their own conclusions.

What I have a problem with is when it is taught as fact.

Science has made multiple mistakes in the course of history and sometime the technology is more advanced than the human brain. Just because something appears one way to a person, who is limited to the ability of their human brain, does not mean that they have correctly analyzed the data.

I would also state that the Bible makes it clear the universe was built on levels and layers the same way a child would build a lego set. But just because 1 and 2 were created and 3 came next does not mean 3 came from 2. But many scientist would look and say 2 plus one equals 3 therefore 3 spun off from 2 over many millions of years. This is were we disagree.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
The problem with the verse you quotes is that it states that there is no excuse for not believing in a God of some sort by looking out at nature. Pretty much the same argument as when a non-believer as a Christian, "Is there an proof for the existence of God?" And the Christian answers, "Just look outside..." It is another thing completely, to expect a human to (from merely studying nature) deduce the story of Jesus Christ or even essence of God which is required for salvation.
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I agree with this post. While I think looking at the world around it is obvious there is a Creator this would never lead anyone to believe in Jesus without hearing about Him somewhere else. I don't know the answer to "why" that's the way it is. Ill ask my pastor about that one. In America there is no way IMO anyone could say they had never heard of God etc. Bc there's a church on every corner. In some remote village though is a different story. Very interesting. God never promised us life would be fair though, His own son was tortured to death and all the apostles died horrible deaths. (Beheadings, hanging, inverted crucifixion, etc.) Even Job who was the most Godly man of his time got a raw deal in my opinion. It rains on the just and the unjust.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Is God omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolant?
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call call him God?" [/FONT]

Epicurus
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Let's clarify 2 things. Christians better understand God because we actually study His. Word and try to live a life that is pleasing to Him instead of spending every second of our lives trying to satisfy the worldly lusts. Whether you want to believe it or not you have a God too....he's in the mirror. So you live your life trying to please yours and ill live mine trying to please mine.
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I am getting mixed messages. I thought God was in essence beyond our understanding...

marcusluvsvols said:
I have never said in this thread that I believe everyones children should be forced to learn any religion in schools. I just don't think they should be force fed a half baked theory about the origin of life and have it presented to them as fact. to regress...again...there is absolutely not a shred of evidence to support the origin of life either way. I'm not trying to indoctrinate your kids...don't try to teach mine they came from "primordial soup".
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As posted yesterday, the "primordial soup" theory as you put it, is not taught as a part of the theory of evolution.
 
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dduncan4163 said:
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call call him God?" [/FONT]

Epicurus
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I love that quote. I like a lot of Epicurus's philosophy.
 
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T-TownVol said:
time and place.....yes....how can one accept Christ if they do not know he even came to Earth......why do you get hung up on this so bad.......PKT has to accept Christ because he knows of the message of the Gospel.....villagers in who knows where do not
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Ok. That is a complete reversal of what you were saying or implying yesterday. That was PJ and my's point.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Ok. That is a complete reversal of what you were saying or implying yesterday. That was PJ and my's point.
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no it is not, but if you read my posts that way, I am sorry and will try to do a better job....I get to short with my answers some times....see ya
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
I agree with this post. While I think looking at the world around it is obvious there is a Creator this would never lead anyone to believe in Jesus without hearing about Him somewhere else. I don't know the answer to "why" that's the way it is. Ill ask my pastor about that one. In America there is no way IMO anyone could say they had never heard of God etc. Bc there's a church on every corner. In some remote village though is a different story. Very interesting. God never promised us life would be fair though, His own son was tortured to death and all the apostles died horrible deaths. (Beheadings, hanging, inverted crucifixion, etc.) Even Job who was the most Godly man of his time got a raw deal in my opinion. It rains on the just and the unjust.
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Thank you for the agreement. Please do ask your pastor about this. I would be interested in his response.

As for the people of America, does it matter if a person has never read the Bible? Or does it only count that they have been introduced through mainstream media and culture at some point about the cliff-notes (as it were) about Christianity?
 
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PKT_VOL said:
I am getting mixed messages. I thought God was in essence beyond our understanding...



As posted yesterday, the "primordial soup" theory as you put it, is not taught as a part of the theory of evolution.
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Yes it is. Please look at the textbooks of today and you will understand. Watch that video. It will open your eyes. When they show a picture of the front of the book ( ex. Holt biology 1995) then show you the. Table of contents and the pages with #'s...and you see the absolute manufactured garbage that scientists disproved as a hoax 40 or 50 years ago it leaves no room for misinterpretation. Straight lies in the textbooks.
 
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T-TownVol said:
it is an old "tradition" that has no basis as a salvation issue since Christ cam to Earth.

I have to go and watch my daughter's lax game, have a good day.
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Tell her good luck!

T-TownVol said:
no it is not, but if you read my posts that way, I am sorry and will try to do a better job....I get to short with my answers some times....see ya
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I think PJ's #301 post summarized the exchange.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Thank you for the agreement. Please do ask your pastor about this. I would be interested in his response.

As for the people of America, does it matter if a person has never read the Bible? Or does it only count that they have been introduced through mainstream media and culture at some point about the cliff-notes (as it were) about Christianity?
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The Devil knows Jesus exist.

Big deal.

Salvation has nothing to do with the knowledge of God's existance.


I would also never jump to a conclusion who is and isn't saved, nor should any other Christian.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Yes it is. Please look at the textbooks of today and you will understand. Watch that video. It will open your eyes. When they show a picture of the front of the book ( ex. Holt biology 1995) then show you the. Table of contents and the pages with #'s...and you see the absolute manufactured garbage that scientists disproved as a hoax 40 or 50 years ago it leaves no room for misinterpretation. Straight lies in the textbooks.
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What video?
 
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NEOCON said:
The Devil knows Jesus exist.

Big deal.

Salvation has nothing to do with the knowledge of God's existance.


I would also never jump to a conclusion who is and isn't saved, nor should any other Christian.
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Just curious, what do you believe salvation entails? Or do you believe humans cannot possibly know?
 
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I believe in original sin. It occurred when eve took the apple and adam lied about it. It is when sin and death entered the world. It is when humans began to be ashamed of their nakedness. It came because satan told eve if they ate of that tree they could be like God. It is the reason why we need a savior. We were born in sin and without a savior we will go to Hell.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
The problem with the verse you quotes is that it states that there is no excuse for not believing in a God of some sort by looking out at nature. Pretty much the same argument as when a non-believer as a Christian, "Is there an proof for the existence of God?" And the Christian answers, "Just look outside..." It is another thing completely, to expect a human to (from merely studying nature) deduce the story of Jesus Christ or even essence of God which is required for salvation.
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verses 16 through 32 gives a broader scope
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Just curious, what do you believe salvation entails? Or do you believe humans cannot possibly know?
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Salvation entails the belief and understanding that there is nothing you can do to be saved and that Christ has already done everything.

Salvation entials accepting this knowledge into your heart and having a heart transformation.

Good deeds do not do anything as there is nothing anyone can do to save themselves.

Good deeds are only done because you want to Glorify God.
 
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NEOCON said:
Salvation entails the belief and understanding that there is nothing you can do to be saved and that Christ has already done everything.

Salvation entials accepting this knowledge into your heart and having a heart transformation.

Good deeds do not do anything as there is nothing anyone can do to save themselves.

Good deeds are only done because you want to Glorify God.
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Except for that whole detail just above that explains you have to accept Christ. That's something you "do" to save yourself.
 
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