Tenn. Senate OKs Bill To Allow Anti-Evolution Talk In Classrooms

God also creates every single human on the planet. OE can probably tell you the verse where he states He knit us in our mothers wombs and numbered the hairs on our heads. That's why abortion is muder. Because life begins at conception when your soul is given to you by God.
 
The thread has been every where, the central argument with regard to salvation is those who have heard vs not?
 
God also creates every single human on the planet. OE can probably tell you the verse where he states He knit us in our mothers wombs and numbered the hairs on our heads. That's why abortion is muder. Because life begins at conception when your soul is given to you by God.

Luke 12:7
 
Me too. The non believers on here would probably picture me as being far different from what I actually am. I am passionate about what I believe but have no intention or desire to push my beliefs on anyone. I fail miserably at the great commision. Your opinions have definitely stimulated my brain. Motivated me to get in the Word. Some of these issues about having never heard the gospel are very complex. So is the story of Job. God took everything from Him.everything imaginable including allowing his children to be slain. Afterwards, he got it back tenfold. Can't tell me he didn't miss the first set of children though....and when he asked the Lord why He did it the Lord said "where were you when I laid the foundations of the world?" Basically said bc I am God and you are not. I can see why unbelievers would question some of these things. They have been lied to and led to believe that the God of the Bible is only a God of unending love. He is also a jealous God (His words) and he is the author and owner of both wrath and vengeance. God is to be loved for sure. He is also to be feared. I think Christians have a better understanding of the fear portion than the world does.
 
so we need a law allowing debate about a scientific theory?

says something about our govt screwls
 
God also creates every single human on the planet. OE can probably tell you the verse where he states He knit us in our mothers wombs and numbered the hairs on our heads. That's why abortion is muder. Because life begins at conception when your soul is given to you by God.

ah so any child that dies before birth is because God wanted it to happen? In essence, God deemed it not worthy of his world?

I think Christians have a better understanding of the fear portion than the world does.

makes sense because that is how religion operates

Almost the entire old testament is in the koran. They also believe in the virgin birth of Christ. They believe like the jews that he was only a prophet not Messiah.

so you'd be ok with schools teaching the Muslim version and skipping the Christian one?
 
Job is an awesome study, as far as we know it is the oldest writing of the hebrew bible.

Also have a lot of cross information from local cultures with similar men/stories
 
ah so any child that dies before birth is because God wanted it to happen? In essence, God deemed it not worthy of his world?



makes sense because that is how religion operates



so you'd be ok with schools teaching the Muslim version and skipping the Christian one?

Let's clarify 2 things. Christians better understand God because we actually study His. Word and try to live a life that is pleasing to Him instead of spending every second of our lives trying to satisfy the worldly lusts. Whether you want to believe it or not you have a God too....he's in the mirror. So you live your life trying to please yours and ill live mine trying to please mine.

I have never said in this thread that I believe everyones children should be forced to learn any religion in schools. I just don't think they should be force fed a half baked theory about the origin of life and have it presented to them as fact. to regress...again...there is absolutely not a shred of evidence to support the origin of life either way. I'm not trying to indoctrinate your kids...don't try to teach mine they came from "primordial soup".
 
To marcus, for the sake of asking, Adam was out of the earth

Certainly could have been soup

Makes you wonder
 
Whose rules? Once again, I have answered all questions asked, it is just not the answer you seem to want so you keep trying to come from a different direction. The answer to all these questions are in the words of the Bible even if you choose to discount them as non factual.

Yours.

You believe because Jesus, then salvation. No?

That is a logical conclusion, cause and effect rule. PJ asks, well given that rule, what about this...etc. Then you say the rules don't apply anymore.
 
Let's clarify 2 things. Christians better understand God because we actually study His. Word and try to live a life that is pleasing to Him instead of spending every second of our lives trying to satisfy the worldly lusts. Whether you want to believe it or not you have a God too....he's in the mirror. So you live your life trying to please yours and ill live mine trying to please mine.

I have never said in this thread that I believe everyones children should be forced to learn any religion in schools. I just don't think they should be force fed a half baked theory about the origin of life and have it presented to them as fact. to regress...again...there is absolutely not a shred of evidence to support the origin of life either way. I'm not trying to indoctrinate your kids...don't try to teach mine they came from "primordial soup".

So marcus, should science classes not present the evidence/facts they have discovered to this point at all? Even if the overall concept is presented as a theory (which it is)?



New article on the topic today.
War Of The Worlds: When Science, Politics Collide : NPR
 
So marcus, should science classes not present the evidence/facts they have discovered to this point at all? Even if the overall concept is presented as a theory (which it is)?



New article on the topic today.
War Of The Worlds: When Science, Politics Collide : NPR


I don't have a problem with any of it as long as its truly presented as a theory. The textbooks tend not to do that. There is a video from CSE entitled "lies in the textbooks" that sheds a lot of light on the content of modern science books. They show excerpts that contain absolute farces such as one diagram where a prehistoric horse looking creature goes through 4 "evolutions" to become a modern horse. The first one has like 12 ribs, the second has 14, the third has 13 and the last is back to 12. Not only does the illustration not demonstrate a linear "evolving" process but was disproven 60 years ago when it was part of the nazi propaganda machine. Have you seen the one with the embryos of humans, frogs, etc. Where they show them all looking similar and use that as evidence that they have a common ancestor? It was proven 40 years or more ago that the picture of the human embryo was doctored to appear more "amphibian" some of them even show (and say in the text) that human embryos have gill slits in the neck area of the fetus. It would absolutely blow your mind to see this stuff. While you probably don't agree with the religous views of Dr. Hovind or the policy of Creation Science Evangelism I challenge you to watch that one video. You will be amazed at the lies.
 
Romans 1 : 20......no one has an excuse

The problem with the verse you quotes is that it states that there is no excuse for not believing in a God of some sort by looking out at nature. Pretty much the same argument as when a non-believer as a Christian, "Is there an proof for the existence of God?" And the Christian answers, "Just look outside..." It is another thing completely, to expect a human to (from merely studying nature) deduce the story of Jesus Christ or even essence of God which is required for salvation.
 
Interesting, God created perfection. Man was an experiment of free will imo because the angels are direct servants.

Because of omnipotence God knew man would fail, so why the experiment?

Why place a temptation in the garden?

You mean omniscience...right?
 
Pj, have you ever read Thomas Paine's Commin Sense? Its his essays on religion which he admits is his personal conclusions and everyone needs to come to their own but as the title suggests it should be onvious to all. He logically breaks down the holes in concepts such as salvation and even things such as why did God create an evil counterpart such as the devil, cast him in into a pit, and then let him out again to torment his creation.

I think you would enjoy it.

Honestly all I think all Chistians should read it to help them "think critically".

I think if Christians acquainted themselves with Søren Kierkegaard, they would be much more tolerable. (Reference to fervent Christians)
 
The problem with the verse you quotes is that it states that there is no excuse for not believing in a God of some sort by looking out at nature. Pretty much the same argument as when a non-believer as a Christian, "Is there an proof for the existence of God?" And the Christian answers, "Just look outside..." It is another thing completely, to expect a human to (from merely studying nature) deduce the story of Jesus Christ or even essence of God which is required for salvation.

time and place matter as I have tried to point out, what the verse says is that no one is without excuse, meaning even if a person has never heard the gospel he/she will still be held accountable for acknowledging God, it is not fair in the eyes of humans but God is not worried about that.......every one keeps cross referencing salvation through Christ as if it is the standard in every situation which it is not
 
God also creates every single human on the planet. OE can probably tell you the verse where he states He knit us in our mothers wombs and numbered the hairs on our heads. That's why abortion is muder. Because life begins at conception when your soul is given to you by God.

Is God omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolant?
 
time and place matter as I have tried to point out, what the verse says is that no one is without excuse, meaning even if a person has never heard the gospel he/she will still be held accountable for acknowledging God, it is not fair in the eyes of humans but God is not worried about that.......every one keeps cross referencing salvation through Christ as if it is the standard in every situation which it is not

So one can be "saved" without accepting Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior?
 

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