Tenn. Senate OKs Bill To Allow Anti-Evolution Talk In Classrooms

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OrangeEmpire said:
verses 16 through 32 gives a broader scope
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I just looked those verses up. They are slightly more perplexing because it implies that the Greeks could have been saved because the believe in the existence of God and lived a good life. Problem is, they didn't necessarily believe in what we would refer to as the "Christian" God.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
I just looked those verses up. They are slightly more perplexing because it implies that the Greeks could have been saved because the believe in the existence of God and lived a good life. Problem is, they didn't necessarily believe in what we would refer to as the "Christian" God.
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Wrap your head around Ezek 18:1 to 20

From my brother Naked

Book of Mormon 2 Nephi 2:22 to 25

Or

Moses 6:53 & 54 Pearl of great price
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Just saying that the verses quoted for original sin come from Peter in Romans. Nothing within the Adam and Eve story mention or imply original sin.
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Not a big fan of Paul, but dont forget Romans 5:12 to 21, I Corinth 15:22, I John 3:4
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Wrap your head around Ezek 18:1 to 20

From my brother Naked

Book of Mormon 2 Nephi 2:22 to 25

Or

Moses 6:53 & 54 Pearl of great price
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From memory:

"Adam fell that men might be, and men are that they might have joy."

2nd Mormon Article of Faith:

"We believe that man will suffer for his own sins, and not for Adam's transgression."
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Wrap your head around Ezek 18:1 to 20

From my brother Naked

Book of Mormon 2 Nephi 2:22 to 25

Or

Moses 6:53 & 54 Pearl of great price
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I think you responded to the wrong post. All those verses were about original sin. They all make sense btw.

Nephi 2:25 was interesting to say the least. I have never heard anyone think or shape the story that way.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
I think you responded to the wrong post. All those verses were about original sin. They all make sense btw.

Nephi 2:25 was interesting to say the least. I have never heard anyone think or shape the story that way.
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Very possible, my mind is every where right now.

I think that was a general info post :)
 
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#468
[QUO HTE=PKT_VOL;6631143]Omniscient = all knowing

Omnipotent = all powerful

I thought you meant omniscient from the context of your post :hi:[/QUOTE]

He is also omnipresent...everywhere He chooses to be all the time. The devil, however is only a fallen angel and can only be in 1 place at 1 time. Demons, principalities, etc. Are widespread. The bible says if we could see the spiritual war going on all around us between the angels and demons it would destroy our feeble minds. This makes it a lie when people say "the devil made me do it." As the odds of him being in your presence are about 3 or 4 billion to 1 (number of humans on earth) the devil doesn't make each man sin against God our "sin nature" does that. When adam and eve unleashed sin upon the world all of their descendants were effected. That is why the bible says we were "conceived in sin" etc. If it were possible, which its not, but if a man lived his entire life without committing a single sin either of commission or omission (to know to do something right and not do it) then biblicly he would still go to Hell without Jesus Christ because he was born with a "sin debt". That is the nature of original sin.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Yes??????
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then how do we have free will? If our fate is known ahead of time and there is nothing we can do about it, free will doesn't enter into the picture, since everything we do leads us inexorably toward a predetermined fate.
 
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Cant quote marcus post right, too long for the phone. As to collective guilt/total depravity, what about the passages I mentioned from Ezekial?
 
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MG1968 said:
then how do we have free will? If our fate is known ahead of time and there is nothing we can do about it, free will doesn't enter into the picture, since everything we do leads us inexorably toward a predetermined fate.
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If we are going into free will, we need a whole new thread. Soooooooo many different ways of analyzing free will.
 
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MG1968 said:
then how do we have free will? If our fate is known ahead of time and there is nothing we can do about it, free will doesn't enter into the picture, since everything we do leads us inexorably toward a predetermined fate.
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Awesome question, did we lose it at the fall?
 
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