Texas A&M/SEC megamerge thread extravaganza

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#252
rockytop9808 said:
He doesn't want expansion, that's what's wrong with it.

He thinks the SEC is treating A&M like a charity case, which is a really ignorant sentiment.
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Yea, I love how people do not see the benefits the SEC will receive from them being in the conference. Just adding ATM will add 25 million viewers to base. That's half of the SEC base right now.
 
#253
#253
knucklehead_vol said:
Yea, I love how people do not see the benefits the SEC will receive from them being in the conference. Just adding ATM will add 25 million viewers to base. That's half of the SEC base right now.
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I recognize what the SEC gets back in return, but what aTm gives in no way helps the fans, it only helps line the pocketbooks of the conference. I could personally care less how many viewers aTm brings, it doesn't add anything to our SEC experience as UT fans. It's equally ignorant that people act like it will just be business as usual, but we'll just have a couple new teams. There's no such thing as a free lunch, so in order to get all this extra money, some other things will probably have to be sacrificed, and to me that kind of sucks.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
I recognize what the SEC gets back in return, but what aTm gives in no way helps the fans, it only helps line the pocketbooks of the conference. I could personally care less how many viewers aTm brings, it doesn't add anything to our SEC experience as UT fans. It's equally ignorant that people act like it will just be business as usual, but we'll just have a couple new teams. There's no such thing as a free lunch, so in order to get all this extra money, some other things will probably have to be sacrificed, and to me that kind of sucks.
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Ir brings a ton to fans, chief. College Station is one of the best gameday environments in the country, A&M's got a load of fans of SEC caliber following the school, and we get to see our schools face some new, very competitive teams in non-football sports.

What in the world are you smoking?
 
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#256
rockytop9808 said:
Ir brings a ton to fans, chief. College Station is one of the best gameday environments in the country, A&M's got a load of fans of SEC caliber following the school, and we get to see our schools face some new, very competitive teams in non-football sports.

What in the world are you smoking?
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How does a school having tons of fans affect UT fans in any sort of positive way? Is all this extra money this brings to the SEC going to be passed on to the fans in any tangible way such as reduced ticket prices? Almost certainly not. That's what I'm talking about when I say the fans don't reap any of the benefits of this expansion, only the consequences. Is a trip to College Station or Missouri once every 15 years worth making our games in Baton Rouge, Auburn or Tuscaloosa a similar rare occurence? Maybe to you it is, IMO it's not.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
How does a school having tons of fans affect UT fans in any sort of positive way? Is all this extra money this brings to the SEC going to be passed on to the fans in any tangible way such as reduced ticket prices? Almost certainly not. That's what I'm talking about when I say the fans don't reap any of the benefits of this expansion, only the consequences. Is a trip to College Station or Missouri once every 15 years worth making our games in Baton Rouge, Auburn or Tuscaloosa a similar rare occurence? Maybe to you it is, IMO it's not.
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Exaggeration much? Hyperbole does not an argument make.

The fans are never going to see reduced ticket prices for anything, ever. Were you against the SEC's TV deal? We fans didn't get anything extra (monetarily) from that, other than seeing more games and more competition.

The only real "consequences" we will see, if you can even use that word, is increased competition and optional travel expenses.

Too bad, so sad, expansion's happening. Deal.
 
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#258
rockytop9808 said:
Exaggeration much? Hyperbole does not an argument make.

The fans are never going to see reduced ticket prices for anything, ever. Were you against the SEC's TV deal? We fans didn't get anything extra (monetarily) from that, other than seeing more games and more competition.

The only real "consequences" we will see, if you can even use that word, is increased competition and optional travel expenses.

Too bad, so sad, expansion's happening. Deal.
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Explain to me how that is an over the top exaggeration.

From what I have gathered from your posts, you seem convinced that the SEC will expand to a 9 game schedule. You also seem convinced that the conference will try to preserve the cross-divisional rivalries because you are seem 100% convinced that the Alabama series isn't going anywhere.

A nine game schedule in a 16 team conference (which by all indications is the endgame here) gives you 7 divisional games, one locked cross-division rival and one rotating opponent. You are then left with 7 other teams that rotate on the schedule. You would then play a home and home with that team and it would be 12 years before they rotate back onto your schedule. If Bama stays locked on the schedule that leaves one trip to Baton Rouge, Oxford, Auburn, College Station, etc. every 14 years.

Next time try actually thinking these things through before you just assume things are exaggeration. I know it sounds insane that you play those teams so rarely, but that's what we'll be dealing with if we go to these bloated conferences.
 
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#259
bleedorange0037 said:
Explain to me how that is an over the top exaggeration.

From what I have gathered from your posts, you seem convinced that the SEC will expand to a 9 game schedule. You also seem convinced that the conference will try to preserve the cross-divisional rivalries because you are seem 100% convinced that the Alabama series isn't going anywhere.

A nine game schedule in a 16 team conference (which by all indications is the endgame here) gives you 7 divisional games, one locked cross-division rival and one rotating opponent. You are then left with 7 other teams that rotate on the schedule. You would then play a home and home with that team and it would be 12 years before they rotate back onto your schedule. If Bama stays locked on the schedule that leaves one trip to Baton Rouge, Oxford, Auburn, College Station, etc. every 14 years.

Next time try actually thinking these things through before you just assume things are exaggeration. I know it sounds insane that you play those teams so rarely, but that's what we'll be dealing with if we go to these bloated conferences.
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Totally agree with you if the 16 teams are simply split into two divisions like the 12 are now....

But what if instead of 2 divisions you have 4 groups of 4? Each group pairs with another group, said pairing rotating each year.

That way you have 3 teams you play EVERY year, another 4 teams you play according to that year's pairing, leaving you with a "locked in" game against one team from each remaining group.

That way it would be 3 years at the longest between playing any given SEC team and 6 years between traveling to any given SEC town...
 
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#260
And also, presuming the most likely 1 yearly, 2 rotating cross divisional opponents (3 total in the opposite division) which would carry over if any 2 division setup (with the likely 9 to 10 conference game change that would accompany such setup)....you're looking at 6 years to meet each home and home (if 14 teams total) or 8 years to meet such (if 16 teams)


Of course, with 16 the 4 divisions likely works much better


But this 12,14,16 years..... you're pulling that one bleed
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#261
#261
bleedorange0037 said:
Explain to me how that is an over the top exaggeration.

From what I have gathered from your posts, you seem convinced that the SEC will expand to a 9 game schedule. You also seem convinced that the conference will try to preserve the cross-divisional rivalries because you are seem 100% convinced that the Alabama series isn't going anywhere.

A nine game schedule in a 16 team conference (which by all indications is the endgame here) gives you 7 divisional games, one locked cross-division rival and one rotating opponent. You are then left with 7 other teams that rotate on the schedule. You would then play a home and home with that team and it would be 12 years before they rotate back onto your schedule. If Bama stays locked on the schedule that leaves one trip to Baton Rouge, Oxford, Auburn, College Station, etc. every 14 years.

Next time try actually thinking these things through before you just assume things are exaggeration. I know it sounds insane that you play those teams so rarely, but that's what we'll be dealing with if we go to these bloated conferences.
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Good try, but if the conference were 16 teams, there would likely be four divisions (which I have said numerous). That leaves only three divisional games, likely one (or two) preserved out-of-division games, and four or five more games out-of-division. 14 or 15 years? Hardly.

You seem so set on this old way of doing things that you can't comprehend that a large conference can easily work- it wouldn't be on the conferences' tables if it couldn't. It's a good thing we get to leave it to the people who's job it is to do these things and not to some stubborn wacko on an internet board who's stuck in the past.
 
#268
#268
I don't beleive for a second Arkansas will leave the SEC. The Big 12 might be opening themselves up to some serious legal action if they actively entice a school to leave the SEC.

Notre Dame is a more interesting option. ND may look at the Texas TV network and want something like that themselves. I can't see that the Big 10 would ever let ND set up its own network so the Big 12 may have something to offer ND there.
 
#269
#269
The Big XII will add members, but they will be from the Houstons and Rices of the world. BYU is about as high-profile as the Big XII is going to get.
 
#270
#270
Arky's not going anywhere


And the "notre dame to the big 12" the Texas fans are clamoring about is just about as silly as last summer when some people were saying "Texas is coming to the SEC"

Plus, Notre dame's already overly set money wise with their markets. Their showing some sort of desire in the Texas market would -again- be quite well out of the blue
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#271
bamawriter said:
The Big XII will add members, but they will be from the Houstons and Rices of the world. BYU is about as high-profile as the Big XII is going to get.
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Exactly.

I wouldn't be surprised if the conference was actually still standing in the future, as pretty much a hollow shell of its former self (after Texas decided to go independent and the other majors bolted to PAC/big10/SEC)
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#273
#273
Velo Vol said:
Arkansas Ignites Big 12, SEC Civil War? : Outkick The Coverage

If we're just trading one also-ran for another, why bother?
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Also Seems like you could debate arky as "immediately successful" in the big 12....3rd most successful seems a little bit of a reach

Again, they're not leaving though. I don't think the conference can just straight up offer them the buyout money (at the very least without some of it going to the other schools)
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#275
TrueOrange said:
You dare insult the mighty WAC!?!?!

Just wait till Fresno st meets you coming across the middle
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Yea, was just pointing out every time it has been tried... it has sucked.

Not sure why the poster is so sure that it will "easily work?"
 
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