Texas A&M/SEC megamerge thread extravaganza

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99gator said:
people have explained why it doesn't have to be that way, but every odd year, florida has only 3 conference home games......like this year.

i hate to be smug about it, but you better find a way to deal with it and get past it......because expansion is coming.
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Claiming Jacksonville as a neutral site is absurd. In actuality, you have 5 conference home games some years, and 4 the others. Why Georgia continues to go along with UF basically playing that game at home EVERY year, especially given the Gator's recent dominance, is beyond me.
 
#202
#202
99gator said:
there are plenty of ways to solve the problem.

1. you don't have to have divisions based on geography

2. if you care about geography, if they add two teams to the league out west, you move vandy to the west and bama and auburn to the east. it would preserve every rivalry except tennessee-vandy. the balance of power would shift to the east in a huge way, but everything would be preserved. heck, it would also bring back the auburn-florida, auburn-tennessee rivalries.

there are plenty of potential solutions.
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1 also allows for a vandy west, ole miss&miss St east
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#203
#203
99gator said:
there are plenty of ways to solve the problem.

1. you don't have to have divisions based on geography

2. if you care about geography, if they add two teams to the league out west, you move vandy to the west and bama and auburn to the east. it would preserve every rivalry except tennessee-vandy. the balance of power would shift to the east in a huge way, but everything would be preserved. heck, it would also bring back the auburn-florida, auburn-tennessee rivalries.

there are plenty of potential solutions.
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You're right, that would be a horribly unbalanced deal. :no:
 
#204
#204
bleedorange0037 said:
Claiming Jacksonville as a neutral site is absurd. In actuality, you have 5 conference home games some years, and 4 the others. Why Georgia continues to go along with UF basically playing that game at home EVERY year, especially given the Gator's recent dominance, is beyond me.
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it's not a home game. it's convenient that people have taken this stance now that florida is winning the game.

tickets are split 50/50. the site is a little less than an hour's drive from the fl-ga state border. with a neutral site game, the stadium is either going stand in one state or the other.

but, the game is not in tampa, miami, orlando, etc, etc, etc.

for the past 21 years, for the most part, florida would have beaten georgia in jacksonville, gainesville, athens, africa, asia, or the north pole.

some games, home field may have made a difference. but, then again, some of those years florida would have been the home team.

look up what happened the last time they played in athens
 
#205
#205
Right. Just as playing in the Georgia Dome would be a "neutral site" game.

But if Georgia is dumb enough to go along with that, why should we feel sorry for them?



99gator said:
it's not a home game. it's convenient that people have taken this stance now that florida is winning the game.

tickets are split 50/50. the site is a little less than an hour's drive from the fl-ga state border. with a neutral site game, the stadium is either going stand in one state or the other.
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#206
Velo Vol said:
Right. Just as playing in the Georgia Dome would be a "neutral site" game.

But if Georgia is dumb enough to go along with that, why should we feel sorry for them?
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Exactly. The Ga Dome is about as far from Athens as Jacksonville is from The Swamp. You'd have a hard time convincing Gator fans that it was a neutral site if the game was played in the Ga Dome every season.
 
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#207
Velo Vol said:
Right. Just as playing in the Georgia Dome would be a "neutral site" game.

But if Georgia is dumb enough to go along with that, why should we feel sorry for them?
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i know there isn't going to be a way that i will be able to convince some of you.

the city of jacksonville is as close to the florida-georgia state line as possible. the only way it would be more neutral is if the stadium stradled the state line.

atlanta is north georgia. savannah would be a better example and if there was an 80,000 seat stadium in the city of savannah, i wouldn't have any problems with the neutrality of the site.

what outsiders choose to ignore is that for most of the last 21 years, florida has been the much better football team.

if i recall correctly, tennessee beat georgia 8 straight from 1992 through 1999 and they did play home and home.

trust me, 1990 and 1991 tennessee squads would have beaten georgia too.

so, let's stop pretending that georgia's futility against florida is due to the location of the game.
 
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#209
99gator said:
i know there isn't going to be a way that i will be able to convince some of you.

the city of jacksonville is as close to the florida-georgia state line as possible. the only way it would be more neutral is if the stadium stradled the state line.

atlanta is north georgia. savannah would be a better example and if there was an 80,000 seat stadium in the city of savannah, i wouldn't have any problems with the neutrality of the site.

what outsiders choose to ignore is that for most of the last 21 years, florida has been the much better football team.

if i recall correctly, tennessee beat georgia 8 straight from 1992 through 1999 and they did play home and home.

trust me, 1990 and 1991 tennessee squads would have beaten georgia too.

so, let's stop pretending that georgia's futility against florida is due to the location of the game.
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I wasn't really trying to make the argument that the location was the reason for them losing every year. It just seems that if you play a team who is usually better and more talented than you, you wouldn't want to sweeten the pot for them by essentially agreeing to play them on the road EVERY season. It just makes your job that much tougher.

It's not really about the state line either. I'd be willing to bet there are plenty of Gator fans in south GA. Athens is an awfully long way from Jacksonville.
 
#211
#211
bleedorange0037 said:
I wasn't really trying to make the argument that the location was the reason for them losing every year. It just seems that if you play a team who is usually better and more talented than you, you wouldn't want to sweeten the pot for them by essentially agreeing to play them on the road EVERY season. It just makes your job that much tougher.

It's not really about the state line either. I'd be willing to bet there are plenty of Gator fans in south GA. Athens is an awfully long way from Jacksonville.
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Out of curiosity, are there any reliable figures for how many Florida fans are in the seats vs Georgia fans? That's what realistically determines neutrality IMO.
 
#212
#212
bleedorange0037 said:
I wasn't really trying to make the argument that the location was the reason for them losing every year. It just seems that if you play a team who is usually better and more talented than you, you wouldn't want to sweeten the pot for them by essentially agreeing to play them on the road EVERY season. It just makes your job that much tougher.

It's not really about the state line either. I'd be willing to bet there are plenty of Gator fans in south GA. Athens is an awfully long way from Jacksonville.
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c'mon dude. the same applies both way.

jacksonville, fl, and north florida in general, has a sizeable georgia following. the local paper has more in depth coverage of georgia football than miami football.

people mention the distance from one campus to another. gainesville is closer, obviously there's no doubt.

but, you act like that's where the fans are coming from. it's closer to drive from most parts of georgia to jacksonville than it is miami to jacksonville.

if what has been screwing with georgia over the years, is that they have a two hour plane flight (if that) and florida has a 1 1/2 hour bus ride, than that is pretty sad.

if you ask older georgia players, the buck belue's of the world, they will tell you they had no problems coming to jax and actually thought they had the advantage. guys like buck hate the excuses.

that's the biggest problem georgia has in that series is the whining. they need a coach and a mindset that says "i don't care what the situation, we're going to win". the way tressel basically declared that the days of losing to michigan are over and the way spurrier circle georgia on the calendar and made it personal.

but, it's absurd to me that people complain about a situation where tickets are distributed evenly, the game is on no one's campus, and the location is as close to the state border as possible.
 
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#215
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VolNExile said:
Out of curiosity, are there any reliable figures for how many Florida fans are in the seats vs Georgia fans? That's what realistically determines neutrality IMO.
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both school receive the same amount of tickets and both sell them out.

each school's ticket office actually handles the ticket situation when they are that year's designated home team.
 
#216
#216
i will also tell you that vince dooley thought it was a huge advantage.

vince said that all of the students and all of the alumni would leave and head down there to begin partying in ponte vedra, amelia island, etc, etc, etc.

meanwhile, he and his team would be the only ones on campus as it became a virtual ghost town. he always thought he had his players attention and that they were prepared because everyone else had left to head down.

which is another thing. while there is some game day travel, by and large most of the georgia faithful take several days off (if not the whole week) and spend their time down there on vacation......fishing, golfing, boating, going to the beach, drinking, and even more drinking.

there are people who have parked their rv's next to one another for 20 years or more.

the city of jacksonville actually hopes georgia wins the game, because the city and their businesses make a hell of a lot more money when georgia wins. florida people go home, win or lose. georgia people go home if they lose and stay and party if they win.
 
#217
#217
Seems like a lot of crying over spilled milk in this thread

Dont sweat what you have no control over

Texas A&M will be a good fit in the SEC
 
#218
#218
99gator said:
atlanta is north georgia.
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So is Athens. That's the point. It's not near the border. It's 200 miles farther away from Jacksonville than Gainesville is. If UGA was at Valdosta, then Jacksonville would be a good neutral site.

(It also helps make it possible for Florida to never play in any cool/cold weather, but that's a different topic.)

what outsiders choose to ignore is that for most of the last 21 years, florida has been the much better football team.
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I agree--Florida has been a better team a majority of the years. That doesn't make the site more neutral for them.
 
#219
#219
Vercingetorix said:
But the uneven revenue that everyone keeps yelling about is just a red herring here, because the way that uneven revenue would manifest itself on the field would be in recruiting -- and Texas, unlike any other team in the country, already gets basically every player they want every year. You could give them an extra $800m a year and it wouldn't change the recruiting situation in the Big 12 at all. They have junior day, they pick the 25 guys they like best, they extend offers, they get 25 commitments. It's just about clockwork. And if the uneven revenue can't make the recruiting situation any worse, then how does it tangibly matter?

I'm not saying that what A&M wants is wrong. They clearly want to carve out their own identity -- unlike Oklahoma, who are apparently content to be Texas's lapdog. I'm just saying that A) the uneven revenue is the symbol, not the reason, and B) joining a conference where you're going to get your ass kicked even worse to be rid of Texas is a little like slashing your wrists to show your girlfriend how mean she is. Be careful what you ask for.
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OK, using that logic, why should Texas get a lion's share of the revenue if they are able to get any player they want? If you claim that the larger revenue would manifest itself in recruiting, then wouldn't make sense for Texas to have a smaller cut... or dare I say equal cut?
 
#222
#222
99gator said:
c'mon dude. the same applies both way.

jacksonville, fl, and north florida in general, has a sizeable georgia following. the local paper has more in depth coverage of georgia football than miami football.

people mention the distance from one campus to another. gainesville is closer, obviously there's no doubt.

but, you act like that's where the fans are coming from. it's closer to drive from most parts of georgia to jacksonville than it is miami to jacksonville.

if what has been screwing with georgia over the years, is that they have a two hour plane flight (if that) and florida has a 1 1/2 hour bus ride, than that is pretty sad.

if you ask older georgia players, the buck belue's of the world, they will tell you they had no problems coming to jax and actually thought they had the advantage. guys like buck hate the excuses.

that's the biggest problem georgia has in that series is the whining. they need a coach and a mindset that says "i don't care what the situation, we're going to win". the way tressel basically declared that the days of losing to michigan are over and the way spurrier circle georgia on the calendar and made it personal.

but, it's absurd to me that people complain about a situation where tickets are distributed evenly, the game is on no one's campus, and the location is as close to the state border as possible.
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Definitely have heard a lot of the same stuff about UGA fans, students, etc... taking the week off to party. Sounds like an awesome time and tradition. Even though I dislike your school and UGA strongly, it is on my bucket list to attend the World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party, Not Cocktail Party.
 
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#225
Velo Vol said:
So is Athens. That's the point. It's not near the border. It's 200 miles farther away from Jacksonville than Gainesville is. If UGA was at Valdosta, then Jacksonville would be a good neutral site.

(It also helps make it possible for Florida to never play in any cool/cold weather, but that's a different topic.)


I agree--Florida has been a better team a majority of the years. That doesn't make the site more neutral for them.
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this explains a lot. you're one of those people. as if any school in the sec regularly plays in the snow or something.

i wonder if lsu or georgia ever has to hear this crap.
 
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