The Great Labor Force Debate

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ClearwaterVol said:
You are talking about value or market pay rate more than skilled vs. unskilled.

Truck drivers make good money. Labor shortage. But most people can drive. Skilled or unskilled?
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We trade skills for money; a market system is how your labor is valued. Unskilled drivers will likely come to pay higher insurance rates, the penalty for being unskilled. And no one can drive a rig unless trained and acquiring the skills required by law or to be employed as a driver.

There are no legal requirements or skills necessary - nor skilled labor pay - for pulling a dolly of canned goods to the vegetable isle. It's why you chose the legal profession and not that.
 
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DonjoVol said:
And you didn't bother corrected that person that you can't just bring people off the street and train them in an hour to be a CNA. A VP in healthcare would know this. You really are pathetic.
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A person could be serving meals, changing sheets and emptying bedpans within a day. If you don't agree with that then your argument actually starts to make sense
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Lol don’t bother me. I bet the Ukraine citizens getting shot by invading Russians think that too.
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Hey Ricky, if some Bloods or Crips moved next door to you, but assured you that there wasn't going to be any drug selling or drive-by shootings, would you still be comfortable at your residence? Would you still feel safe or would you now feel threatened? Would you feel compelled to act?
 
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DonjoVol said:
4 to 12 weeks of training is not little to no training. If it's such an easy job then you go do it. Anyways. I'm done talking with pathetic people such as yourself. Go waste your time elsewhere.
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Why would I go do it? I have a good job now and only have to deal with virtual sht

You sound like a refugee from r/antiwork
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
This is interesting. You seem to be stating that the same set of skills can deemed both skilled and unskilled depending upon the marketplace. Am I reading that correctly?
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Well yes, 'The Great Labor Force Debate' is the debate, correct?

I'm not going to detour on the way to Food Lion to see if the local aspiring rock flutist on welfare has center-cut pork chops.
 
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NCFisher said:
We trade skills for money; a market system is how your labor is valued. Unskilled drivers will likely come to pay higher insurance rates, the penalty for being unskilled. And no one can drive a rig unless trained and acquiring the skills required by law or to be employed as a driver.

There are no legal requirements or skills necessary - nor skilled labor pay - for pulling a dolly of canned goods to the vegetable isle. It's why you chose the legal profession and not that.
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It feels like we are getting away from the skilled vs. unskilled discussion and talking about job competency. Are truck drivers considered skilled labor?

You also seemed to be equating demand vs. labor pool as a determinative factor in the skilled vs. unskilled determination from which it would follow that skilled vs. unskilled could change depending on market forces. For example, a severe and long lasting shortage of janitors could create a situation in which janitors would be considered skilled labor by your definitions.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
It feels like we are getting away from the skilled vs. unskilled discussion and talking about job competency. Are truck drivers considered skilled labor?

You also seemed to be equating demand vs. labor pool as a determinative factor in the skilled vs. unskilled determination from which it would follow that skilled vs. unskilled could change depending on market forces. For example, a severe and long lasting shortage of janitors could create a situation in which janitors would be considered skilled labor by your definitions.
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Yes, truck drivers are skilled labor.
 
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utvolpj said:
Why would I go do it? I have a good job now and only have to deal with virtual sht

You sound like a refugee from r/antiwork
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Have you ever worked as a CNA in a nursing home? I know someone close to me who has and some other people who have done it as well. It's not easy work. And takes a lot of skill and patience. And I'm sure there is a reason there is an actually certification process in order to have the title of CNA.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
It feels like we are getting away from the skilled vs. unskilled discussion and talking about job competency. Are truck drivers considered skilled labor?

You also seemed to be equating demand vs. labor pool as a determinative factor in the skilled vs. unskilled determination from which it would follow that skilled vs. unskilled could change depending on market forces. For example, a severe and long lasting shortage of janitors could create a situation in which janitors would be considered skilled labor by your definitions.
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Yes, as I just replied to you this is 'The Great Labor Force Debate; the only context is within a market system of trading labor for $$.
And the fact that unskilled refers to entrant level workers and low-skilled workers was gotten away from before I joined.

They're skilled at driving trucks moving tons at a time, some more than others or some qualified to haul items that pay more. None of them showed up from their entry level Walmart job and was tossed the keys to a rig; they had to acquire rig skills.

It's unlikely we'd see a janitorial shortage so severe they'd be considering country club memberships with their enlarged disposable income. Unskilled labor got a boost during Covid not due so much to market forces but government damaging the shite out of market forces with lockdowns and subsidizing people not to work or pay their rent, etc. And continuing to use fear to achieve political ends.
 
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DonjoVol said:
And you guys still can't win the argument. Must be a sad life you and others live by bringing up this topic out of the blue.
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There is no argument to be won or lost. It is a fact that not all labor is classified as skilled labor. You are willfully ignorant of that fact, but that has no impact on me.
 
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Vol423 said:
There is no argument to be won or lost. It is a fact that not all labor is classified as skilled labor. You are willfully ignorant of that fact, but that has no impact to me.
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And it has no impact on me if people in here who have admitted they can't and won't do certain jobs go out of their way to say those jobs are unskilled. Honestly, a few have shown their true colors.

If you are not willing or cannot do a certain job then it is a skilled job.

But if you want to lump yourself into the group of people who are insulting people in the restaurant, retail and medical professions then be my guest.

Last but not least it really makes conservatives look bad when they talk about working people like that.
 
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NCFisher said:
Yes, as I just replied to you this is 'The Great Labor Force Debate; the only context is within a market system of trading labor for $$.
And the fact that unskilled refers to entrant level workers and low-skilled workers was gotten away from before I joined.

They're skilled at driving trucks moving tons at a time, some more than others or some qualified to haul items that pay more. None of them showed up from their entry level Walmart job and was tossed the keys to a rig; they had to acquire rig skills.

It's unlikely we'd see a janitorial shortage so severe they'd be considering country club memberships with their enlarged disposable income. Unskilled labor got a boost during Covid not due so much to market forces but government damaging the shite out of market forces with lockdowns and subsidizing people not to work or pay their rent, etc. And continuing to use fear to achieve political ends.
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I believe that it was a good thing.

Was the average worker any more or any less important in 1965 as compared to today? In 1965, CEOs earned about 21 times what the average employee earned. Today that number is 351 times. American businesses have been taking advantage of the workers who made their success possible for decades. It is about damn time the workers pushed back. The average CEO pay rose 1,322% since 1978 and the average worker realized an 18% pay increase over the same period.
 
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DonjoVol said:
If you are not willing or cannot do a certain job then it is a skilled job.
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Being an unfavorable or crappy job doesn't equate it to being skilled.

Standing on a corner holding a cash for gold sign is not a skill. And yet I'm sure you will find many many people here that can, but are not willing to do the job. Because they don't need to.
 
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DonjoVol said:
If you are not willing or cannot do a certain job then it is a skilled job.
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that's your worst line to date. Absurd
DonjoVol said:
But if you want to lump yourself into the group of people who are insulting people in the restaurant, retail and medical professions then be my guest.
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You seem to have a very hard time with understanding that saying a job is is unskilled labor is not insulting those doing it. I've done plenty of jobs I'd categorize as unskilled labor and wouldn't be embarrassed to admit it
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Last but not least it really makes conservatives look bad when they talk about working people like that.
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is anyone truly worried about this? Probably only people clinging to conservative as part of their identity
 
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